to be annoyed that there will be a trousers uniform only at dc's secondary school from next year?

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DD ( dc number5) starts secondary in September. All her older sibs have gone/ are at the school. Her 2 older sisters are in years 8 and 10. Up until now the uniform has been, for girls, a blazer, skirt or trousers, white shirt and optional tie.
We got an email this week saying that after extensive consultation( I would like to know with whom because parents were not asked to my knowledge) the uniform for new year 7's would be 'gender neutral'. Both sexes will wear exactly the same uniform i.e new school jumper, no blazer, smart grey or black trousers, no skirts and all to wear a tie. Pupils currently at the school can continue with the current uniform but change of they wish.
There has been 'issue' with girls rolling their skirts up to basically just below their backsides and members of the public/parents have been complaining about this. The new trousers only uniform will help with issues of 'decency' it says.
Year 6 dd is horrified, she has never worn trousers in her life and quite frankly is not a good shape for them anyway, - leggings yes, buttoned trousers, no, although I have never said this to her of course. She is short and stocky, always has been.
I know many women who feel very uncomfortable wearing trousers because they don't like their legs/shape and always wear dresses and skirts.

What this this gender neutral crap?
I support both sexes wearing ties and I liked the blazer so am sad it has gone.

I think the girls should be able to wear skirts and am confused about the whole 'indecent' issue. If a girl wears a short skirt it's surely not her fault if people find it 'indecent'? It feels like very little has progressed for girls since I was at school. So, they now all have to look like boys?

I would be interested to hear people's views on this.

I can't believe how dedicated Flossy is to arguing her 'case'
The lies about it supposedly being to do with appearance rather than comfort (physical and mental) are horrid. And no I was never fat, I had an hourglass figure and at the age of 13 would absolutely not have been able to work to the best of my ability if I constantly felt like I looked too sexual and had boys making comments. I would have felt uncomfortable in front of male teachers too, to be honest. Think all you want how ridiculous that is but teenagers' thinking can seem ridiculous especially to do with body image. Anyone who thinks it's more important to force self conscious preteen/teen girls to wear clothes they don't want to at the detriment of their education needs to get their priorities right.

Like I said before the point about periods can't be ignored.

The lack of comprehension from certain posters is insane.

I fail to see where I have been aggressive or goady but if you feel I have then of course report me to mnhq.
I suppose you fail to see the posts directed at me and choose to focus on only my responses.

Not sure what using the word frothing implies or says about me. Maybe it says I use mn a lot. You seem to know though.

I have a free afternoon Nation this thread has filled a void

All I feel is how YOU come across. You are by far the most aggressive poster on this thread, you are also the most defensive one. With large amounts of PA too. I don't know why I should be knowing anything. What is the point of making a comment like that? It just makes me feel more of the same about the way you come across.

God how boring you are. Why are you so invested in it? Well done for ignoring everything I've said

I only read the first part of your post Nation as it was boring. Sorry.

Feel free to ignore me if I am boring you thats what I tend to do.

OP I will not change how you feel about me and I do not want to try. You are an unimportant stranger on mn just the same way I am to you.

Yes, that's true enough. Still, I can't see what kicks you get posting the way you do, what's the point?

"Bert I was being flippant but the premis of what you were saying was the same. That clothing choice will in someway solve/support/combat an eating disorder. "

It absolutely was not.

Whats the point of anyone posting on a thread?
I have continued to post because I am answering posts addressed to me and because I can post. As for posting the way I do I dont think I do post in a paticular way I just post as I speak.

It absolutely was not.

Ok then what was it Bert?

JFC guys, can you just debate the point at hand and not get personal?

Calling people boring/aggressive is a cheap way to try and win an argument and brings it down to a childish level.

Debate the point at hand, don't bring your thoughts about other people into it. That's not relevant.

I didn't ask you what the point of posting was. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I asked you the point of being deliberately unpleasant? If that really is how you talk to people in RL, then I'm sorry for that and for the people on the receiving end of your tongue.

There is a pissed off mother in dd's class who, for some reason, had already bought the current uniform for next year and had taken the labels off. This was before the email came.

"It absolutely was not.

Ok then what was it Bert?"

Simply that in a school which already has an issue with body image among girls taking away a clothing choice that may make some of them more comfortable does not strike me S particularly sensible. Basically what I said before you added your unique twist.

I have read lots of posts on here Nation I just chose not to read all of yours.
Wow I am a watlste of space and boring. I think your contributions to this thread have been outstanding.

Big I am not unpleasent. I can see that you think I am but knowing my family and those I come in to contact with daily dont think that it doesnt matter to me that you dont like me. Why would it. I dont know you.

You are being rather unpleasent yourself as is Nation but hey I shant cry about it.

Thank you Burt* for your explanation. It does still seem to me there is too much emphesis on the clothing and not the ED but I do see your point.

Sorry for the multiple posts connection is pants so playing catch up

So you admit that you completely twisted my words in a way that completely changed their meaning. Good.

Will you now go on to admit that you twisted other posters words too? Adding "rife" was a particularly spectacular one. Telling somebody that their child cared more about the uniform than the education was another.

No of course I wont admit I twisted them as I didnt. I read it differently....still do a bit tbh but in the interest of moving on I am willing to concede
I admitted I said the word rife ages ago. I never said Hastings did. Not sure what your issue is there
As for the uniform/education well that poster did say they would choose a school with a uniform they liked as apperance matters to them. Make of that what you will.

"As for the uniform/education well that poster did say they would choose a school with a uniform they liked as apperance matters to them. Make of that what you will."

She said she would all other things being equal.

I know I read it. I still see it as putting clothes/fashion/uniform above education. The same poster accused me of not caring about what I looked like despite never seeing me. She called me one of those people. So it seems I make assumptions about her on what she posts she makes assumptions about me.....big deal. Don't we all do that unless we really know the poster?

Good Lord- you really do think words mean what you want them to mean, don't you?

No.
Words have a meaning already defined. I don't change them. You just appear to not like them.

Which word have I used that has upset you this time and how have I changed its meaning?

I feel you pain about finding well fitting flattering trousers. Our school changed the styles of girls trousers allowed, and brought in a new school skirt the girls mainly hated. A delegation of girls persuaded the head to allow slightly more fitted styles of trousers (skinnies, really) as a compromise, which he did.

I also think blazers seem very useful for keeping valuables etc on you and not losing important things at secondary, shame you have lost that.

When I read the thread title I assumed it was a pre-emptive move so that they don't have males transitioning to female wearing skirts at school. No one has ever had a problem with girls wearing trousers, if they want to, but many people will have issues with those they see as male wearing skirts.