Twonder why some shopping centres have P&C parking nearer the shops than disabled spaces?

[QuiQuaiQuod]

Are parents/nannies disabled/ lazy?

are the children heavy/lazy

are buggies cumbersome? (cos wheelchairs are really light you know

Does no one know what DISABLED actually means? that a physically disabled person uses more than 300% more energy to get anywhere?

And why do they put ticket achiness at one end of the car park or the other? never in the middle and never near disabled places

ANd why do people park in the P&C places when they don't have a child with them (onloy a car seat in the car) and why does ANYONE not disabled feel the fucking selfish cunty balls to park in a disabled place?

ticket machines! not ticket achiness! whats wrong with my keyboard?

I absolutely agree with everything you posted and wonder the same thing myself.

It's most probably because nowadays children dissolve in the rain though

For a lot of places disabled facilities are simply a tick box exercise to provide the minimum legally expected rather than a process which has any thought for the people using them.

Mind you, I think P&C spaces are ridiculous anyway.

What sort of explanations are you getting from the shopping centres when you ask?

Sirzy For all the PC madness around disabled people really are an afterthought aren't they?

and yy Salmo agree.

worra absolutely nothing. Ive asked and asked and just get treated like Im one sandwich short of a picnic. Or ignored completely.

Or hear people mutter 'moany old bag' (Im in my 30's!) after me.

I don't ask in a complainy voice, just a firm enquiry..

I wonder if you could Tweet them, or ask someone else to if you don't have a Twitter account?

I'd be interested to know too, why they think P&C spaces should be nearer than disabled ones.

It sounds mad to me.

Agree. I don't understand why the parent spaces aren't at the back. That'd stop people using them who don't need them and still give parents bigger spaces.

I agree with you OP (and my mums wheelchair is HEAVY)

Just. and buggies are lighter to push so I agree why P&C spaces aren't further away. (although I understand if you've got about 5 kids to herd!) still 5 kids versus disabled person.......

It's usually safety of the kids. Don't want them going from one end to another with cars but it's debatable. I'm in no way saying this is a good enough reason over disabled spaces just know it's what some people/companies think

I used to worry about the leaving children in the car unattended while getting the trolley bit. At the time I panicked about them being out of my sight. Also, herding twins through the car park was tricky. I preferred carparks which had a walkway down the middle for all these reasons.

That doesn't mean I think they should be closer than disabled spaces. Just explaining why I liked to be close to the shop if possible.

@QuiQuaiQuod - firstly I would say that it isn't the parents/nannies etc who design the car parks and decide where to put the P&C spaces - so it's a bit u fair to blame them for decisions that are probably made by the shopping centres.

I would guess that the shopping centres believe that they will get more income from parents than from the disabled customers - nb. I am not saying I believe this, just that that is the reason I'm guessing for why cater better to parents than to their disabled customers.

Secondly, I absolutely agree that someone who is not disabled who uses a disabled parking space, is a twat and should be ashamed of themselves. I would prefer it if people didn't park in P&C spaces without children - I know they are a courtesy rather than a right, like disabled spaces, but it seems a bit mean to take something that might make a parent's life a bit easier.

It is mad. When I was using P&C places, you could have put them at the very far end of the car park, as long as they were wide spaces and there was a footpath from the parking spaces to the store away from moving cars with a trolley park close by.

I'd be interested to know too, why they think P&C spaces should be nearer than disabled ones.

Probably Worra because we all know from the several Mumsnet P&C threads that children evaporate once a drop of rain touches them!

My late friend hadn't been into a shop ij almost 30 years after her accident. She literally couldn't and her disabled husband who was also her carer had to park as close as he could to the store entrance.

It's usually safety of the kids. Don't want them going from one end to another with cars but it's debatable.

It really isn't. Our Sainsbury's I used to live near for example had P&C away from the store but situated right next to the walk way. Where a parent can get their child to the store entrance, safely.

I often wonder at car park layouts.

Disabled need to be close to the store.

P&C need to be somewhere where there is a safe path from the car to the store, doesn't matter if this is a distance. And have the extra wide bays.

Same reason many disabled toilets can't actually be used by some people with disabilities and their carers, the people who design them do the minimum necessary to meet the legal requirements.

Disabled parking should be closest. P&C should be further away but with safe path.

Loads of shops do now I think of it, which makes no sense.

Disabled toilets are a nightmare! I struggle to get DS in his chair into a lot of them, how an independent wheelchair user is supposed to access them the mind boggles!

I assume that you're disabled OP, or a carer for someone who is.

I suspect that a parent of 5 children under 7 would have very good arguments for them being nearer the entrance as keeping children alive should be the first priority. Not all car-parks can be retro-adapted with pathways keeping children safe.

still 5 kids versus disabled person....... = ???

Disabled people trump those with 1 or 700 children. Simple as!

And makeup your first line sums up so much of the battle faced by disabled people - if people aren't effected then so many simply don't care!

Sometimes people park in P and C spaces without a child because they are disabled but don't fit the narrow criteria for a bb.