Twonder why some shopping centres have P&C parking nearer the shops than disabled spaces?

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Are parents/nannies disabled/ lazy?

are the children heavy/lazy

are buggies cumbersome? (cos wheelchairs are really light you know

Does no one know what DISABLED actually means? that a physically disabled person uses more than 300% more energy to get anywhere?

And why do they put ticket achiness at one end of the car park or the other? never in the middle and never near disabled places

ANd why do people park in the P&C places when they don't have a child with them (onloy a car seat in the car) and why does ANYONE not disabled feel the fucking selfish cunty balls to park in a disabled place?

Ive already asked where are these shops where the disabled spaces are at the further end of the car park and the p&c are the closest ones to the entrance and was ignored. Cynical me thinks that this thread is just a thinly veiled attempt at having a pop at 'entitled/lazy' mothers using p&c spaces. I dont think Ive been to a shop in recent memory where the disabled bays are further away than the p&c spaces.

Now I come to think of it, the disabled spaces at my local Tesco were further from the doors than the P & C spaces until recently when the car-park was resurfaced and the chance taken to put them where the P & C spaces were, to create new P and C spaces next to them - just a bit further from the door - and to return the old P & C spaces to general use. Credit where it is due; whether the old layout was an attempt to keep disabled people out or just poor planning it has been corrected now.

whosafraid have you read the thread? I for one have a DS with SNs and the OP has clarified that's not what she meant.

I've got a really good story about the time I was in a clinic with my (disabled) DD, and a nan and toddler came into the children's centre to complain that the hospital had no P&C parking and that they should redesignate some of the disabled parking for 'people with small children as they struggle just the same'. Also it was raining and the child had got wet walking from the far side of the car park, and this was wholly unacceptable.

To clarify, they weren't attending an appointment for the child, nan was babysitting and had brought the toddler in to visit someone in the hospital.

She made the massively overstretched admin staff in the children's clinic get someone on the phone for her so she could reiterate her demands. Loudly. In front of a waiting room full of children with disabilities and their parents.

My then seven year old had to talk me down from lamping her

At the big shopping centre car park near me all the disabled parking is on the seventh floor what if the lifts aren't working? It's ridiculous. All the ground floor is P&C spaces.

Ah sorry just realised it was another poster that clarified it. Not the OP.

As you all were.

I've been asking our local Tesco for years why they moved the P&C spaces and put them nearer to the door than the blue badge spaces. They still haven't changed anything.

The total lack of thought in some carparks is mindblowing really..

Not all disabled people need a space close to the door - it would be reasonable to put some spaces further away, for example, a non wheelchair user with sticks or a walking frame may struggle to walk and need a spot close to the door.

Me in my super zoomy wheelchair, I actually don't I just need a wider space, and for that space to be on the correct side of my car (some places only have extra spac eon ONE side, and if thats the drivers side, im fucked. We cant reverse in to most spaces as theres then no room to get the wheelchair out of the back)..

My particular favourite stupidness though is the multistoreys where you have to show someone your blue badge on exit, to get free parking.

The person you have to show it to is far across the otherside of the carpark at the exit barrier.

You cannot take your badge out and go there because a/ then your car is in a disabled spot with no badge (and in some carparks its a good ten minute trek to find the bloody office) and b/ using a wheelchair around a multistorey carpark particularly in the dark is a fucking good way to get hit by a car!

So since no signs say anything to the contrary you drive to the office thinking you can show your badge to the wee man in his box through the window as you are at the exit barrier... yeah?

No. The wee man wants you to present your badge at the other window, which means getting out of your car, at the barrier, and going around to his other window with your badge...

Only how do you do that with a tailback of cars behind you, and no space to open your door and get your wheelchair out to go round there?

15 minutes my friend was gesticulating at the man in the box and he was waving 'walk round' to her and she was trying to communicate 'I CANT THATS WHY IM WAVING A BLUE BADGE AT YOU TWATFACE'...

That just beggars belief, @WiddlinDiddling! How can people be so stupid?

The total lack of thought in some carparks is mindblowing really..Not all disabled people need a space close to the door - it would be reasonable to put some spaces further away, for example, a non wheelchair user with sticks or a walking frame may struggle to walk and need a spot close to the door.

Many years ago, on holiday in Cornwall, we visited an ASDA (St. Austell IIRC).

The car park had been designed so that although the BB spaces were right outside the entrance, the only way to get to them was to drive through the entire car park first. I was so struck by the neatness of the design I asked the security guard on the way in if there was any abuse. He said as far as he knew they had never heard of problems from the private company that patrolled the car park.

To return to why are BB spaces abused, another thing is that in many supermarkets, the BB spaces are closest to the cashpoints.

My particular favourite stupidness though is the multistoreys where you have to show someone your blue badge on exit, to get free parking.

Our hospital car park does that, but has a camera on the pillar, so you just hold the badge up. Having seen the control room, I have noted they also take a still of that image.

I suspect that a parent of 5 children under 7 would have very good arguments for them being nearer the entrance as keeping children alive should be the first priority.

children can have disablities too

and can have blue badges for their safety

I always thought disabled spaces had to legally be within so many metres from the door anyway

Again, this shouldn't be about parents. If disabled spaces aren't being properly provided then that is an issue. P&C provision (whether necessary or not) is beside the point. Perhaps we could all be a bit more supportive of each other, rather than setting groups of people against each other.

People with disabilities are also often parents.

Can I just say Im not having a pop at parents etc? (well, a bit, I know the parents dont paint the lines but they could ask too, about the designated spaces, but as most are not disabled they wont understand). Im having a pop at the companies/centres that design the car parks?

And I know some parents might be disabled themselves.

But there ARE entitled twats who abuse all this, this, and as usual, on mumsnet, they come out of the woodwork to try and derail a perfectly logical question on a thread title.

thanksd to the posters that support this discussion. and yes, Me AND DC are disabled.

Local Waitrose has put PC spaces right at the back of the car park. Funny that now they've done that, they barely get used by the people who apparently 'need' them.

Good, more parent bashing bollocks I see. No one gets anywhere by tearing others down dear.

Most of the car parks locally I can think of have the disabled and P&C spaces about the same distance from the store. What I don't understand is why in the two nearest Aldi stores, both in separate towns and relatively new, there are 3x disabled spaces versus 5x P&C spaces.