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Twonder why some shopping centres have P&C parking nearer the shops than disabled spaces?

111 replies

QuiQuaiQuod · 01/05/2017 14:37

Are parents/nannies disabled/ lazy?

are the children heavy/lazy

are buggies cumbersome? (cos wheelchairs are really light you know Hmm

Does no one know what DISABLED actually means? that a physically disabled person uses more than 300% more energy to get anywhere?

And why do they put ticket achiness at one end of the car park or the other? never in the middle and never near disabled places

ANd why do people park in the P&C places when they don't have a child with them (onloy a car seat in the car) and why does ANYONE not disabled feel the fucking selfish cunty balls to park in a disabled place?

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GaelicSiog · 01/05/2017 16:41

I was wheelchair bound a few weeks after I had DD. At least in Ireland, I can confirm disabled spaces are not necessarily much wider. Not fun trying to negotiate that plus newborn.

manicinsomniac · 01/05/2017 16:45

Wouldn't your friend be totally stuck if a car parked next to her while she was shopping?

That's a very good point actually, I guess she would. I didn't think to ask her that question! I think that generally, the spaces themselves are wide enough. I think it's more that she finds, because there's plenty of space, people don't always park centrally in them or down the middle of them, meaning there isn't enough space at either side of her space. I haven't had long, in depth conversations about it to be honest, I just know she prefers the raft of unused spaces at the back of our huge local Tesco to anywhere else.

Louiselouie0890 · 01/05/2017 17:10

Away with the pixies sorry have no idea how to quote.
That's exactly why I said it's debatable some people think it's not safe far away some don't. ....debatable

LurkingHusband · 01/05/2017 17:14

Because the further from the entrance the spaces are, the less likely they are to be abused.

GaelicSiog · 01/05/2017 17:18

The issue I have with that though is there are a hundred reasons people might not have a blue badge but feel they need a close space. Why do children trump all those simply because they are children?

harderandharder2breathe · 01/05/2017 17:19

I expect parents to take responsibility for keeping their children safe.

I expect the store to take responsibility for being accessible to all.

WayfaringStranger · 01/05/2017 17:36

MakeUp it's not about one person being more important than the other. It's about the law and access. If you have a family member who lives with a disability then you will know that some people with disabilities cannot access places without these spaces, whereas P&C spaces are a customer perk. The law isn't designed to make people with disablies more "important" but to have equality of opportunity.

C0untDucku1a · 01/05/2017 17:48

My local asda has the disbled and p&c places in the same Section of the carpark, separate to the rest of the carpark. The disbled ones closer to door, a separated walk way in-between. A food design. My local aldi has disabled spaces next to the door and p&c across from it.

My local shopping centre. Has the p&c parking next to the lift and stairs and the disabled next to the carpark entrance by a different lift that also has the for hire disability chair office.

I never before this thread relaised how much thought theyd clearly put into this. I might tweet them a well done!

C0untDucku1a · 01/05/2017 17:50

A good design. Not food design.

Trifleorbust · 01/05/2017 17:58

Why are some posters so determined to pit parents and people with disabilities against each other? Isn't there enough to argue about?

NannyOggsKnickers · 01/05/2017 17:59

I'm not sure I like this either/or debate. As someone pointed out earlier, it's not like parents are lobbying to take away disabled spaces! Why the parent bashing? Shops should provide enough disabled spaces close to the shops. They should also move the P&C parking away from the front of the shop to discourage the lazy from taking the piss and parking with no small child.

As far as I can see P&C is helpful if you have a child in a car seat. It shouldn't be in competition with disabled spaces. We shouldn't need to discuss this in the same topic. They need to be seperate.

Also, the kind of twats who park in P&C without kids would probably do the same in a disabled bay. Wankers.

C0untDucku1a · 01/05/2017 18:03

You know, the actul issue is the lack of and expense of public transport.

WayfaringStranger · 01/05/2017 18:04

Why are some posters so determined to see parents and disabled people as two separate entities? After all, many disabled people do have children. Why are some posters determined to ignore basic facts which state that P&C parking is a consumer perk whereas access to spaces is a legal right?

WashBasketsAreUs · 01/05/2017 18:08

My dad always stressed that if he found out I'd used a disabled space ( I'm not disabled by the way) he'd go mental. I'm 56, wouldn't ever use one so obviously the years of conditioning have worked. I have my grandson a lot so then I use p and c spaces, if he's not with me then again, I wouldn't dream of it.
At our local supermarket the two sets of spaces are together near the door, everyone's happy.

PurpleDaisies · 01/05/2017 18:18

Also, the kind of twats who park in P&C without kids would probably do the same in a disabled bay. Wankers

P and c spaces are not the same as disabled spaces and I'd be surprised if as many prople misused disabled spaces as p and c spaces. I think there are legitimate reasons for using a p and c space without children (you or your passenger needing extra space due to a disability) but parking in a disabled bay without a blue badge is indefensible.

PurpleDaisies · 01/05/2017 18:19

You know, the actul issue is the lack of and expense of public transport.
Not here it isn't. It's very hard to do a weekly shop without a car.

Andrewofgg · 01/05/2017 18:22

What is going on with MN - nobody has called popcorn yet?

OP I honestly think that some of the people running supermarkets - or perhaps individual store managers - would rather "keep those bloody cripples out, they only get in the way" and as they cannot legally design them out of the building they design them out of the car-park instead. I hope I am wrong.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 01/05/2017 18:25

Also, the kind of twats who park in P&C without kids would probably do the same in a disabled bay. Wankers. .

No they wouldn't. My Dad was once THAT twat parked in a P&C space without kids (he'd given me and the kids a lift as I dont drive) he was waiting in a P&C space for me and the DCs. He wouldn't park in a disabled bay. Well he did, right up until he had his BB took off him. Apparently, having arthritis, surviving a heart attack, having angina and copd (hence why he couldn't walk round the store with us) isn't enough to keep your BB anymore .

NannyOggsKnickers · 01/05/2017 18:45

Away I'm not talked about people like your dad. I'm talking about people like the woman who took the last P&C space in her two seat sports car and then skipped off to the shops. No disabled badge. Nothing to show that she needed priority parking. And when I say skipped I mean actually skipped. Or the guy in his 20s who turned into the P&C yesterday in front of me and then jogged off to the supermarket. I was behind him in the queue- he bought two crates of lager and carried them back to the car. Which was probably why he wanted to park in the P&C.

These are the twats I mean. If the P&C was further away from the shop then it wouldn't be an issue.

P&C don't need to be close to the shops. They just need to have a space so you can open the door wide enough to stuff a toddler into a car seat who is doing the ' angry octopus' or to make a gap big enough to get secure a cabrio-fix car seat into the base.

peukpokicuzo · 01/05/2017 18:45

The reason is simple. The supermarkets have target markets - some customers are more profitable than others. People who buy overpriced junk are more profitable than people who budget carefully and buy the minimum and best value-for-money.

A mum who brings two kids under 5 to the shop is almost certainly going to buy at least 10 items that they don't really need just to STOP THE SODDING WHINING. The shop makes more profit. Whereas on average I guess most people who need a blue badge space will be (a) needing to take a longer time in the shop and (b) less likely to buy anything over-priced. The shop that attracts more P&C space users will make more money than the shop that attracts more disabled space users. Obviously the shops will do their best to attract the former and only do the legal minimum for the latter.

PurpleDaisies · 01/05/2017 18:48

Away I'm not talked about people like your dad. I'm talking about people like the woman who took the last P&C space in her two seat sports car and then skipped off to the shops.

How do you know that woman would have parked in a disabled bay? I know people (I don't agree with them) who park in p and c spaces just because they don't want their car to get bumped but I don't know anyone who parks in a disabled bay. Blue badge spaces are legally protected with large fines attached for misuse.

Andrewofgg · 01/05/2017 18:49

peukpokicuzo You are a s cynical as I am!

GreatFuckability · 01/05/2017 18:52

disabled spaces are right next to the store in all the supermarkets i know of local to me, it has to be said.

NannyOggsKnickers · 01/05/2017 18:57

Purple I don't 'know'. However, I have met in my life a few individuals ( I wouldn't call them friends) who seem to think it's ok to park in disabled spaces. They are willing to take the risk because the fine isn't always enforced. There are chancers everywhere. I'm sure everyone has met someone who thinks the rules don't apply to them.

Andrewofgg · 01/05/2017 19:10

In truth, the "fine" is meaningless. The company would have to sue in the county court, and if you defend it the case gets transferred to your local court, and even if you lose you will not be ordered to pay their legal costs - just the court fee and of course the original debt. (If you pay up promptly you won't even go on the register of county court debts). So it is not worth the company's while.

Perhaps I should not be giving the game away!

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