Vegan and vegetarian

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I am not an expert in either, nor do I believe in either eating habits/way of life/etc etc. (Not to be dismissive but my family for the last 100 years have been butchers!) This is not an attack on choices, more I am interested tell me more. (So I can be less ignorant. Not to change my views)

Just sent little party invites for DCs birthday, we are catering (putting out sarnies) so asked for dietry/allergy info (bloody hell children's parties are hard work, what ever happened to jam sandwiches and party rings..) had two rsvps so far, the first was we are veggie, the second vegan.

It's really got me thinking, where I haven't before now, why is there a difference? More thinking dairy, because male calves are killed in the dairy process, so what's the point in vegetarian, if you eat dairy, you still killing animals? That's just one example I think, it possibly applies to eggs too?

Oh you got me user burrrrn

Now when I was a young animal rights activist, age 15 and sitting on an animal rights stall people were free to scrutinise my choices, after all I was giving out leaflets and going on demos. I lived on cheese sandwiches and wore converse and as I was fed and clothed by my parents I didn't have a huge amount of buying power on £10 a week pocket money.

However it is as an adult just living my life my diet frequently caused more conversation and directed comments than it warrants. I only give my opinion when asked these days. Yet I get plenty of unsolicited commentary. So I stand by my earlier statement.

I can't agree with the attitude of if you can't do something perfectly then you just shouldn't bother. It seems to be levelled at anyone trying to make a better world whether political, environmental or ethical concerns. Maybe because we feel guilty when we see someone doing something we regard as self sacrificing and it is easier to criticise them rather than to examine ourselves i.e. Cognitive dissonance.

I was pescetarian for many years because I didn't like meat as a child. I have started eating meat again in the last few years. I have to say that the Simon Amstel programme has really made me think. I worry from the environmental perspective as much as the cruelty. I admit I would struggle with going vegan at present so am trying to make the effort to have vegan meals more often.

I can't agree with the attitude of if you can't do something perfectly then you just shouldn't bother

That isn't what was said, at all.

It's really got me thinking, where I haven't before now, why is there a difference? More thinking dairy, because male calves are killed in the dairy process, so what's the point in vegetarian, if you eat dairy, you still killing animals? That's just one example I think, it possibly applies to eggs too?

user - that is what I was referring to (from the OP)

I have aggressive bowel issues, and noticed that eating meat meant I'd be in the loo all night.
Plus I've always felt guilty about eating meat.
Youngest daughter went veggie over a year ago, I joined her a couple of months later.
Now sugar and dairy are affecting me as meat did, so I'll probably end up going vegan anyway. I want to be vegan, and it looks like my blasted bowels will make the decision for me!
I buy vegan cruelty free household cleaners, my make up is being gradually replaced with cruelty free vegan alternatives, and I've discovered rosewater is excellent for the house, my face and body, and in mint tea.

But I don't judge people's diets. The road to vegan is right for me, my body, my conscience and my carbon footprint.
Though beans don't really help with the last one 😳

Also, I've ended up severely (like nurse saying "how are you still functioning" severe) anaemic, so get all the "you need a nice rare steak" bollocks.
Every iron preparation I've been given makes the Blasted Bowels worse.
So I guess I'm going to have to dive headfirst into a kale patch.
Can't stand the sodding stuff though.

On the plus side, proper piña coladas are vegan.

Having butcher's in your family tree doesn't preclude you from understanding/ being vegan/ vegetarian. My Grandfather and great grandfather were butchers. My Dad was a meat and two veg and black pudding man .. Right up to his death aged 54 and his forefathers also died in their fifties.

"Fails to understand age of death relevance"

My aunt is 103 and eats meat!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/vegan

We have our topic

Yay!!!

Elle, yes I was anemic before as well, I ate more red meat than chicken or fish.

Ps ello, don't dive into kale. Have you checked it's not pernicious anemia? Also try spa tone sachets if you haven't already.

has anyone seen this vlog about quorn called quornhub

I hate the thought of male calves being killed and wasted. I bloody love veal. It's a win win.

I always assumed people were vegan simply because they liked to talk about themselves at parties.

Being vegetarian for ethical reasons is pointless.

Jam sandwich - vegan friendly

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I had been a meat water for about 13 years of my life after which i gave up n baggage a vegetarian. ... didn't feel it ease fair too take some innocent animals life for momentary taste... I agree Even dairy industry is cruel to animals but I am doing the best I can....i have tried veganism but not successful so far as i love milk ...

A lot of people will say DC is vegan if they have a non-fatal dairy, egg, or meat allergy as it’s just easier than telling them to cater specifically for their child.

..i have tried veganism but not successful so far as i love milk ...

The equivalent to saying I have tried vegetarianism but not successful as I love bacon...