To think UKIP have finally lost the plot?

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politicalscrapbook.net/2017/04/ukip-been-on-holiday-time-to-check-your-genitals/

Their "integration agenda" recently launched says that they propose to "Implement school-based medical checks on girls from groups at high risk of suffering FGM. These should take place annually and whenever they return from trips overseas".

So - if someone deems your unfortunate daughter to be a bit brown and at risk of FGM, she gets to have her genitalia checked every time you cross the channel. Lovely.

Fascinating that Nuttall hid from journalists after the launch rather than answer questions about it.

It's not scaremongering it's racial profiling.

Whilst I can see UKIPs point, after all France routinely check don't they for the first few years? As usual with ukip though they've gone about it arse about face.

My DCs are half Nigerian. Their Dad is from a Roman Catholic background, there is literally zero chance that if he was to take them on holiday home one day for a few weeks, both DCs wouldn't come back completely in tact. The fact that ukip would want DD examined because they can't differentiate between an ingrained catholic family and some family miles away from where ExHs family lives, who are more likely to carry out FGM, is quite frankly, absurd.

the idea is vile of course but what's to be done? Action needs to be taken. Girls are mutilated snd noonr is held accountable

scary Then don't cover your face, wear a hijab or a niqab or don't wear anything, it's your choice. If I believe in a woman's right to wear whatever she wants, that has to include a burqa. Naked women don't offend me and nor do fully covered women. TBH it's none of my business. I would imagine they are uncomfortable, especially in the heat, but I don't know because I don't wear one. Each to their own, like I said earlier it doesn't concern me at all.

Whilst I despise enforced covering, I really don't think legislating about what women can and cannot dress in is a fucking slippery slope, one I find more horrifying than a piece of material.

We need to find another way of dealing with all this....otherwise we will end up with women being forced to strip on the beach, like in France last year. Which was fucking disgusting.

Yes we need to deal with FGM and the oppression of women.

No, we shouldn't be putting girls in a position where they might be taken out of school/swimming/ any fucking contact they get with the outside world because the parents who enforce this will just keep them at home.

I don't know what the answer is.

But checking little girls genitals, using racial and religious profiling, is an abhorrent thing to suggest.

By then it's too fucking late anyway.

We need to find a way to stop it from happening, and getting the young girls into mainstream school, and giving them the education and power to say no/get help from the authourities before FGM happens.

Not pull brown faced muslim girls in to check out their genitals every time they go on holiday....

Hitler did it with boys....it's not a fucking route any sane person would choose.

Ooops..... first sentance should be "I really do think its a slippery slope"

Everyone's fear about being racist seems to be allowing this to happen to girls

This is trotted out all the time on here, the 'fear of being racist' preventing sensible action being taken on any number of things.

Can I just tell you all, as a black woman, that fear of being racist is not something I or the people of colour I know ever come across? Actually being racist, yes, quite often. Fear of it, no. Bullshit.

lanakanes I completely agree with everything you just said.

And as a passionate feminist....if I believe in the rights of women to choose how to dress, I can't say "dress how you want, but not that way" as that makes me a fucking hypocrite.

As we all know, choices are not made in a vacuum, and I in no way agree that women should be forced to wear one, but I can't sit here and say "I want to wear what I like, but that muslim woman over there, who has made a choice of her own free will to wear a burqa, can't"

Have not read the link but this sounds very odd.

HOwever has anyone read the stats that only one person has ever been convicted of FGM or maybe not even that and yet thousands of girls are taken over seas to be cut?

I wonder if the threat of this may deter some parents? Just thinking if I was a young girl with this threat hanging over me of being sliced and so on....I might actually welcome more stringent checks. Because current legislation has no teeth and does not work.

lana I agree with every word.

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/20/uk-introduce-measures-stop-girls-taken-abroad-fgm

People have already been at airports stopping girls they deem to be at risk.

Again as a young girl about to be taken out of the UK to have this done, would I fear the racial profiling or the pain of the knife cutting into and mutilating my private parts?

Would have thought tulip that the punishment needs to be in place and be seen to be working first

Otherwise the attitude might be 'yeah..crack on and examine my daughter cos even if you find anything youll do fuck all about it'

Poor little ones in the middle

However how can we deal with this. It's not being dealt with now.

Many /most girls are in mainstream schools but what happens when the community rejects her and the dp cant marry her off as happened in the UK recently? Luckily she told her doctor and was saved. The parents as far as I can remember didn't want to push her but community pressure made them in the end.

rufus it is though.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37364079

"We are dismayed that there have been no convictions for FGM-related offences. When we next review FGM, the new laws against the practice will have bedded in and we expect to see a number of successful prosecutions.

"We welcome many of the steps that the government has taken to prevent FGM and our report calls for that work to be enhanced and strengthened."

But how do you find it out - I totally agree BTW that its horrific to have to contemplate pulling girls over to examine them - and dont agree with it - but this is a hidden barbaric problem and the communities it happens in are often quite closed and secretive - a community leader for instance often talks to the police even in cases where a woman has run away - it might be the very people she is running from who are allowed to talk to the police!

Its very tricky.

Factors such as the age and vulnerability of FGM victims, who frequently do not want to report offences that could lead to them giving evidence against their family, make it extremely difficult to secure this evidence

remember the very people the young girl is speaking out against are her own parents who she believes loves her.

I've been studying the colonial history of FGM and I'm not convinced that banning it is the best course of action. It's all tied up with bitterness about colonialism and their culture being judged as inferior and attempts to wipe it out. There has always been massive resistance to attempts to stop it.

I do wonder if allowing women over the age of 18 to have the least extreme version in private hospitals here would be the best way of reducing complications and also reducing FGM overall. If people could be convinced to wait because it was legally available the women involved would have more chance to give informed consent. It's not a million miles from clit piercing in it's least extreme form and that's legal.

Incidentally it's often little to do with Islam and more to do with African tribal practice. And many girls actively want to get it done.

I am angry about the burqa because women have the right to wear what they want. The women that I know who wear one do it through their own choice. I detest the idea of politicians being able to dictate what women wear.

Very true tulip

Fantastic idea Bill
I think it's disgusting to even suggest doing this. One of my parents is from a place probably deemed high risk, and Muslim on top of that. They would have had to strap me down as a girl if they wanted to "inspect" me the times I'd come back from visiting family.
I don't see many girls being happy with this, so how will they enforce it? Will they force her to take her clothes off and show them her genitals?

These people never stop trying to remind other people that they're an "other" and even if they were born here, they're still different and will never actually be seen as British.

I wonder if the threat of this may deter some parents?

I think it's highly unlikely that this would deter them. All that would happen is that the girls concerned would be taken out of school.

Nice demolition of the entire policy here - thesecretbarrister.com/2017/04/24/ukips-integration-agenda-is-a-masterclass-in-legal-ignorance-and-shameless-racism/