To think UKIP have finally lost the plot?

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Their "integration agenda" recently launched says that they propose to "Implement school-based medical checks on girls from groups at high risk of suffering FGM. These should take place annually and whenever they return from trips overseas".

So - if someone deems your unfortunate daughter to be a bit brown and at risk of FGM, she gets to have her genitalia checked every time you cross the channel. Lovely.

Fascinating that Nuttall hid from journalists after the launch rather than answer questions about it.

CoolJazz, you seriously believe that it's acceptable to advocate state-ordered official examinations of selected young girls' genitalia just because no-one's though of any other means of protecting them? Really? And you can seriously equate objecting to that with virtue signalling? I think you may need to have a good look at yourself.

Why were you angry about the burqa cowgirls? It's banned in France and Belgium, and the sky hasn't fallen in. I think a burqa (and I have a luvverly blue one from Kabul) is an oppressive piece of clothing.

I'm not keen on faces covered and don't the like to see small girls with their hair and bodies all covered (as us becoming more common near us) BUT we live in a society that allows you to cover or not, as you wish and I am proud of that (There are laws to prevent you being forced but whether it is realistic for a woman in such a situation to be able to use this law is another story).

Banning has not worked in France - it has only added fuel to the complicated issue of integration over there.

No, no-one has suggested that a doctor checking a child's body is equivalent to FGM - way to go changing the facts to misrepresent the argument, CoolJazz. What they are suggesting is that routinely dragging young girls selected by reference to race to have their genitalia examined is abusive, and a policy requiring this is one that could only been dreamt up by inherently sleazy people.

So my little relative could get examined on return to the UK (where she was born and has a UK passport, as do her parents) if she went to visit family in ME? Absolutely no way in God's Earth she would be subject to fgm, forced marriage or any such shit but she could fit their stupid profile.

Well we know that UKIP are wanting to pick on others

But something has to be done and other parties won't deal with this issue as this year alone many girls are going to be mutilated and this will impact many of them for the rest of their lives that just isn't acceptable

The issue around the burqa/niqab isn't as simple as telling women what they can or can not wear yet has been now taken on as that with laughably a feminist standpoint. Does the niqab have a place in a progressive society (as in should it be allowed incertain work places hospitals/courts) We have in place laws that protect people (more to protect women) that are for some a religious right

We have got to tackle some very difficult issues UKIP are not wanting deal with these issues they are wanting to punish people for have different beliefs

Well, it's clear what this would achieve. A huge decline in numbers of girls from particular backgrounds in state schools. A simultaneous rise in the popularity of Islamic schools. UKIP have discovered a way to drive girls from 'undesirable ' backgrounds out of British schools, while pretending to act out of concern for them. A new low.

I'm far more horrified by young lads wearing identical balaclavas and face masks than I ever could be by a burqa. I know which of the two gives me more cause for concern. I can't see why an item of religious clothing causes so much fear. I don't see many Ukipers arguing about a nuns headdress. Bloody fools.

Cooljazz - you think every little girl of non-white ethnicity should have to get their vagina out every time she's been on holiday?!

This is one of the worst policies I've ever heard. Also it's been done before. By Hitler. He had little boys examined at school for circumcision too.

Cool jazz - wouldn't you rather we worked on prevention?

The niqab personally doesn't cause fear

I am concerned about the extreme conservative form of Islam that has become popular in Europe often funded by Saudi that doesn't encourage integration or acceptance of other cultures and religions

The niqab was designed to keep women hidden there is nothing progressive about the niqab let's not pretend it is

Right now UKIP are trying to make sure nobody votes for them and all their supporters vote for the Tories. The left vote is split. The right vote isn't and will therefore win.

There's no need for UKIP to have any power when Theresa May is making all their dreams come true. There is very little difference between the Tories and UKIP now.

FGM is being reported and recorded in the UK but prosecutions are almost unheard of aside from a recent case in Ireland. My DH lives in Africa and he tells me the community is working towards changing attitudes, but it is the tribe elders who have the power to enforce change. DH tells me attitudes are starting to shift but it will take a generation to keep that change going.

My fear would be that girls this has happened to would be removed from society by their families so that no body finds out. Their families might remove them from main stream schooling and home educate them, they might not access health care and so on. It would drive those who practice it even more underground than it already is. I agree that this based solely on prejudice and not a genuine desire to help these girls. If UKIP were completely 100% honest they wouldn't want these families living here at all, let's not pretend anything else.

What scaremongering? A racial profile is a thing you know. Ever mysteriously not been able to check on line for a flight, self scan your passport, get through customs without being pulled out of line? All because of profiling? It's a pain in the arse, not scaremongering if they propose checks on girls. When you are in the receiving end it's the feeling of helplessness.

Yes we need to act on fmg but well before a girl is in danger.

You are covered from the crown of your head downwards in a burqa Tinkle; your face is covered by a mesh lattice, and it is very difficult to see out of. It is uncomfortable to wear and I find it claustrophobic.

With a Nun's headdress, like the hijab, you can see the face. You can't with a burqa. I object to faces being covered.

Nuns choose as adults after a long period of training (and proving themselves serious) to cover their heads (a lot don't) and obviously there are no daughters to encourage/make to do the same. Not the same as a burqua.

YABU to think that they've only just lost the plot.

The burqa is a cloth prison designed purely to keep women under control

I think they've never really had the plot but we were all mesmorised by the whole brexit thing.

There is so much mind-boggling shite peddled by the UKIP party.

You have to wonder about the thought processes of those who presumably sat around a table together and drew up such a shockingly flawed set of policies/practices.

Can you imagine what it must be like to be such a person who was capable of dreaming this crap up? What must it be like to be in their head? To wake up in the morning as that person? It's just mind-boggling.