To think the tide may be turning...

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Apparently under twenty fives have been registering to vote in high numbers, assuming because lots of Tory policies have hit this age group negatively. AIBU to feel optimistic that they will turn out to vote and possibly prove the poll predictions wrong?

Any under 25's here who have registered with this intention?

My under 25s are voting Green and Labour. The over 25s Conservative, Lib Dem and ( the one who lives in Scotland) SNP. I think that just about covers it. I worry about the youngest Labour voter. They do seem to really love Corbyn. I fear he won't get in and they have all been so thoroughly let down, EU, tuition fees, house prices. With the boundary changes after this election further embedding the Tories there is political unrest to come.

Could not face having a party in shambles lead us through complex Brexit negotiations.

As far as Brexit negotiations go the UK has such a weak hand it probably doesn't matter whether they are led by Einstein or my elderly hamster. So people should feel free to vote on domestic or other issues without worrying about that side of it.

I think Corbyn is an idiot but given the above and the fact that he's too indecisive and incompetent to start any wars we probably won't be any worse with him than anyone else.

devorak Actually I'd rather move than live under a UKIP Tory coallition, but that would still have been preferable to BREXIT.

IF the 'nutcases' had no say, how come we ended up having a referendum at all? From where I am sitting, PR would have prevented BREXIT. There wouldn't be this massive backlash against the same old politicians, same old parties, if 10% of the voters (ukip) hadn't been disenfranchised in 2015.

For those saying that they live in a safe seat so their vote wont count, have you really checked the numbers? Because I live in a seat that's called a safe seat, but if all the non-voters turned out at the last election voted for one of the 3 next candidates they'd have won. High turn outs does change things.

And re the bank holidays, Corbyn's not suggesting increasing the legal minimum number of holiday days for a full time worker is he? So in effect the average worker will have the same number of days off, but just lose the right to decide when 4 of them are. Thanks, but no thanks.

I thought it was a £1000 fine if you didn't register to vote, maybe I'm getting it confused with th electoral register which comes though the letterbox each year

When Jeremy spoke about the extra bank holidays, he pointed out that we have far fewer than most countries. Seems to be a point that many of you have missed.

I'm looking forward to voting for labour in the GE. I think it's important to vote for policies rather than the person fronting them.

Do you understand the difference between deficit and notional debt?
I strongly suspect better than you.
How is my 'take' on the Falklands nonsense?*
I have stated my position on the Falklands, we won a war of our own creation, engineered for no other reason that to win an election.

I note you chose to ignore my point about those in receipt (or not) of disability benefits.

The electoral register is the same thing as registering to vote.
It's really easy to register.

Unless I was basing it on a wealth of experience... teenagers are not good decision makers. Do you have one? They tend to make fucking terrible decisions. It's why we don't let them drink, smoke, drive, marry without parent's permission and frown on them having babies.

Yes, thank you - I have two. Along with their friends, they are some of the most sensible, caring and responsible people I spend my time with.

And which law is it that says teenagers are not allowed to do those things? Do you live in a closed community?

MySordid A point that you have missed, because I mentioned it upthread, is that we have more statutory holiday entitlement than most of Europe, so it actually balances out for the most part. Holland has the same number of bank holidays as us, Germany, Ireland and Switzerland only get one more day than us. Those countries that have a lot more bank holidays tend to be where religion is very strong and many of those days are given to strict observance rather than "holidays".

If you actually listened to what JC said, the economic impact of extra BH is balanced out by the extra spending from people on days out. DIY etc

I also like the idea of celebrating Scotland, Wales etc. would help to make the nation more cohesive after all the nastiness

nursy Did he mention any protection for all those who work in the leisure industry who don't get the bank holidays so that those people can have their days out? Or for those in the NHS who will still be on call? If he did, I missed it - perhaps you could enlighten me what he said about those people?

When Jeremy spoke about the extra bank holidays, he pointed out that we have far fewer than most countries. Seems to be a point that many of you have missed.

No, not many people have missed the point, a quick google can see we have more paid leave that a lot of these countries.

The current EU time directive law is that Bank or public holidays do not have to be given as paid leave.

An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave.

This is something which JC is keen on keeping, and until we leave the EU cannot be changed.

So considering it is aimed at the working poor what it will actually do is force some some companies to offer 16 days annual leave and include the 10 days bank holidays..

As usualy its a nice soundbite from JC with very little explanation, or thought to be honest

As far as Brexit negotiations go the UK has such a weak hand it probably doesn't matter whether they are led by Einstein or my elderly hamster.

This!! May knows she can't. Corbyn knows he can't. They'd just rather the shit sticks to the electorate!

@Morphene

We ended up with a referendum because it's great democracy. As much as I disagree with Trump, he is at least doing everything he said he would and that's admirable. Cameron promised a referendum and thought it would shut up the nutcases*.

Actually I'd rather move than live under a UKIP Tory coalition

Doesn't that suggest we'd have a really hard Brexit. If I remember, that doesn't align with your political leanings.

@Dawndonnaagain'

We didn't create the Falklands war. At best you can victim blame for not defending them adequately wearing a short skirt or drinking too much...

How about 1...2...3... and we post our CVs

You may well understand the difference better than I do, but that doesn't mean you're correct. Besides which, isn't the burden of proof on those who assert a fact.

I note you chose to ignore my point about those in receipt (or not) of disability benefits.

We couldn't afford the levels of support to all of those on state support that Labour managed through unsustainable borrowing. I'll be honest, I don't know a single person who depends on state support but I do know that cuts were necessary. If a country goes bankrupt we're all fucked.

Without segregating those who receive money from the government, I think everyone should be assessed. I think that JSA should involve sanctions if you aren't looking for work. I think that if you can still work (even part time), you shouldn't have a choice to instead not work and claim benefits etc.

@suburbanRhonda

It's illegal to supply or sell tobacco to a minor. They need adult supervision to drink (buying beer or perry with a meal), you need to be 17 to drive, parental consent if married under 18....

Did I misunderstand your post? Did you think 16 year olds can drive, smoke, buy booze and get married by themselves? If so, fuck! You are responsible for two of them!

*was it me who said "nutcases"? Single-issue parties would have been more descriptive although the two tend to be fairly synonymous.

@wasonthelist

A bit of victim blaming to suggest that it was Thatcher's fault for withdrawing defences, isn't it?

Arguably - however Nicholas Ridley wanted to give the Falklands away - he was one of Thatchers most trusted Lieutenants - are you still suggesting that the government had no idea what they were doing? I will accept your claim that they were negligent rather than scheming if you prefer - in either case, they deserve precisely zero credit for the Falklands.

You lost me when you started comparing British territory to crack in prisons though.
It was Heroin not crack - they are very different, but that's fair enough.

We didn't create the Falklands war
No, Thatcher, Ridley and John Nott did.

At best you can victim blame for not defending them adequately wearing a short skirt or drinking too much...
You lost me when you started comparing British Territory to Sexual Assaults.

Shatnerswig.
Within the NHS working BH gains you a higher rate. JC didn't discuss that but presumably it will be in the manifesto. He seems pretty strong on workers rights.

We couldn't afford the levels of support to all of those on state support that Labour managed through unsustainable borrowing
Except they didn't. Prior to the crash we weren't borrowing stacks - and primarily the borrowing was to stop the banks failing, not feed the needy.

Devorak
Trump is doing everything he said he would.?.....Eh?
Mexico isn't paying for his wall
The is not a ban on Muslims coming to the U.S.
NATO is now apparently a good thing

I could go on. It's hard to find a promise he has kept

nursy That's the NHS. What about those in the hotel industry? Theatre industry? National Trust? DIY and garden centres? All those places everyone wants to use on BH? Some may get a higher rate, some will not. But maybe they'd prefer to actually get the same number of holidays as other people?

"Presumably" it will be in the manifesto. I doubt it very much. Manifestos are never that detailed. Unfortunately.

devorak

I was going to reply to you about how in your previous post you said 16-year-olds aren't allowed to drink and smoke, not that they aren't allowed to buy tobacco and alcohol.

But then I remembered you also said people "frown upon" teenagers becoming parents and it made me realise you are very judgemental in your views so I won't waste my energy.

I'm anti-Brexit, and think we're buggered. But surely to open negotiations, we at least have to go for the Hard Brexit option? If we show our hand as wanting a soft Brexit, we'll be in an even weaker position?

I would vote for LibDems, my usual option, but they still seem to be going on about the Brexit vote, which we lost, not least because (in my view) Corbyn remained silent. That issue's been and gone, and there's really no going back (unless the LibDems win by an unexpected landslide!).

God knows who I'll vote for. I may spoil my ballot paper. Or I may vote Conservative for the first time.

@suburbanRhonda

But then I remembered you also said people "frown upon" teenagers becoming parents

They do. They really, really do. I would be very upset if any teenages I know, (mine or otherwise) have babies. They can be great parents but it's so far from ideal that to suggest otherwise is as strange as you thinking they can drink, smoke, drive and get married. Are you crossing your fingers for your teenagers to become parents or do you think they'd be better off waiting for a few years?

@wasonthelist

You lost me when you started comparing British Territory to Sexual Assaults.

Good point, well made, although I suspect I didn't! You can't blame anyone but the invaders for the start of a war. Blaming the invaded is victim blaming and that's the point I was trying to make. The invaders are always to blame! I didn't suggest a similarity that Poland was to blame for not being well enough defended in March 1939 as it seems a bit 'Goodwin's Law'.