To think the tide may be turning...

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Apparently under twenty fives have been registering to vote in high numbers, assuming because lots of Tory policies have hit this age group negatively. AIBU to feel optimistic that they will turn out to vote and possibly prove the poll predictions wrong?

Any under 25's here who have registered with this intention?

The Conservatives haven't killed anyone, disabled or otherwise. Labour are responsible for the demise of the NHS (if that's what you were getting at although you're a little young to remember the start of PFI).
I suspect that the poster concerned was referring to ESA and PIP. Sanctions for those on JSA too. They've killed plenty, from the chap they sanctioned who was a diabetic, to the terminally ill folk they've demanded to go back to work.

As for the Falklands, what absolute nonsense.
Brexit, every large fiscal institution in the country is saying don't go there, and the government, the Tory government who have in fact borrowed more than any other post war government are ignoring it. That is not a safe pair of hands.

I am a floating voter, in my teens I was staunch Labour, but now to be honest I feel they have veered too far left and I am not enamoured with JC and some of his dubious 'friends' although I like some of his policies just not enough to say I am fully Labour, I find the Conservatives too far right, I don't feel there is a truly centrist party to represent my views. I do however despise the way this government has treated the disabled, education, the junior doctors and our fire service, their avoidance of tackling those dodging billions in tax is also galling, yet they penny pinch with PIP, housing benefits for under 25's etc. I am also pretty pissed at them shifting the retirement goals posts for so many with such little notice. I find them pretty contemptuous toward 'ordinary' people.

I am finding it genuinely difficult to decide how to place my vote, I know many who feel the same, but feel strongly everyone should exercise their right to vote, so hope all these new registrants do so.

"The Tories are a safe pair of hands."

No they are a political party. "A safe pair of hands" is a phrase dreamt up by spin doctors it means nothing in isolation.

"From safely 'winning' (you know what I mean) two world wars, defending the Falklands, saving us from bankruptcy after the load from the IMF, a flourishing economy now with the rest of the EU treading water at best. They are a safe pair of hands and keep the country afloat when necessary because they make tough decisions when others fuck the NHS (Labour's PFI) or promise bank holidays."

Just the fact that you need to go back as far as WW1 and WW2 to look at positives in conservative leadership shows the weakness of your argument. It would be much more beneficial for your argument if you gave one solid example of good leadership in recent history rather than regurgitating sound bites.

"If you aspire to be like many European countries then you need to give your head a wobble. France is fucked (recent elections and economy). Germany is nervous (election coming, economy, political unrest) and smaller countries are crossing their fingers that they don't become the next Greece. "

I am not sure what or how I would give my head a good wobble but I personally do aspire to certain Western European countries as many seem to me to be more pragmatic have more social mobility and a better work life balance.

"We are net contributors to the EU so you have a flawed argument with regard to Brexit. Brexit, in the world we live in, is a sad necessity. "
Well in that case you must be the only person in the country to think there is no cost associated with brexit. Every expert on either side of the debate has suggested that this will be financially bad for the UK in the short term.

"What do you know about MAD?"

I am no expert on mutually destroyed destruction but I understand the principles but I still do not believe that we need nuclear weapons as a country as small as us. As a previous poster pointed out there are many countries who live without them and do not seem to worry about an imminent invasion.

"I have been less patronising than you. I didn't suggest anyone "go and read about" (even you not understanding deficit and debt) and can you give me a single fact about which I was wrong? "

Oh the irony.

Someone on here likened Jeremy Corbin to a high school kid trying to win votes by banning homework and lengthening lunch time... it seems to be exactly that! I'm waiting on Jezza to declare that everyone will get a free unicorn and a castle under Labour.

I don't think any party represents me so I have no clue who to vote for. I live in an area that is a Conservative safe seat, we've had the same man elected time and time again and I've never actually heard of him doing anything at all, good or bad.

perhaps what corbyn is alluding to is that he is so going to royally screw up the economy if he takes office that everyone will be on a 4 day week anyway.

those who want the railways re- nationalised are obviously a lot younger than me. I remember the system before, really nowhere near the standard it is today.

There is no magic wand here. if we as a country want to spend "more" on something then someone somewhere has to pay for it. just saying "tax the rich, tax the rich" like some wolfie smith character is barmy.

Who you define as "the rich" depends on where you are looking from. The rich to me is anyone earning over £26,000 a year because if this is the average wage in this country then it stands to reason anyone earning over this is above average and above average to me is rich.

So many people on here are lining up like turkeys voting for Christmas not realising that Momentum - Jezza is their puppet - think this as well. so if you are above the minimum wage you are going to get taxed more heavily.

as for taxing big business - yes Jeremy love you do that. we aren't in the 1960's any more. tax a business, it shuts up shop and goes elsewhere.

Labour proved this when they bought in the supertax bracket and all those in it just left the country. net result - less tax income.

There is a massive amount of waste in the NHS - people not turning up for appointments, operating theatres standing empty, old not sick people in hospital beds because in lots of cases their relatives refuse to take responsibility for them, doctors surgeries that only work 9 - 5 if you are lucky (ours now shuts for 2 hours over lunch 12 until 2).

we need to be grown up about this. the NHS isn't in crisis, its just no longer fit for purpose. keep putting money into it wont help.

we all have to take a good long hard look at ourselves and how and what we use the service for and decide is this really a health emergency? we need a grown up debate about what we do with old people, fertility treatment, dealing with drunks in a and e and a whole raft of other things. we need to go back to first principles - why the NHS was set up in the first place.

do you really think Labour are going to do this? when Frank Field suggested being radical he got shut down.

I cannot vote for Corbyn - nasty misogynist, anti Israel and terrorist lover. he was a figure of ridicule bringing terrorists into the House of Commons and voting against his party time and again. and now people are seriously suggesting that this maverick, this offensive little man lead the country.

If I had my own TV channel I would be re - running some of the things he has said and done over the years so everyone too young to remember them can see what I am talking about.

I find the thought of him being elected as offensive as Trump and le pen.

Dave not an alternative fact, just an different way of seeing things...

Are the Israelis good guys now then?

Don't shoot me; just asking. it's not something I claim to ever be able to understand fully.

On a side note, does anyone else think Corbyn must be very exasperated by all the people who can't seem to spell his surname?

mummymeister "old not sick people in hospital beds because in lots of cases their relatives refuse to take responsibility for them"

Really? Evidence please.

What do you suggest the relatives actually do? Move their aged aunt into their lounge on a sofa bed? Most families I know don't have any spare rooms these days, unless they are in the "fairly well off" bracket. As the parents will be out at work all day, who is supposed to look after aged aunt or aged mother? And what about those of us who have no family? What happens to us if we're old and ill? Presumably if we have no relatives to take us in we get euthanised?

I do hope so.

How many 16 year olds make good decisions

What an ignorant comment.

Devorak puts it well and hasn't been rude or patronising but unsurprisingly some posters have been pretty unpleasant and sarcastic to them.

It was the Argentinians who started the Falklands war, UK may have been in discussions to consider a handover to the Argentians but without a shadow of a doubt the Argentinians invaded peremptotarily for their own political reasons.

Jeremy Corbyn is not the man to handle leaving the EU.

I agree with Devorak about tactical voting - sure it may be legal but to me it seems a bit against the spirit of one man one vote.

Mummymeister. I'm pretty old too. Remember the railways before it was privatised in 1993. It's the same service only much more expensive. My commuter fare from Berkshire To Central London went up by a third over 4 years. The signals at Hayes continue to cause delays and problems.
I work in the NHS. We spend far less per head than comparable countries for our health care so it does need a bit of money chucking at it. i agree about the problems you describe with appointments
Truth is, whenever a Conservative Gov is in we are starved of money going right back to the 1980s. It's the most important issue for me this election. I fear it will be overshadowed

It depends on how you define 'started a war' but many many people of many political persuasions do not think of the Falklands as the Conservative parties/ Thatcher's / however you want to see it finest hour.

If Maggie were still here we could quite feasibly be at war with Spain over Gibraltar by now. David Cameron spent quite some time distancing himself from the Thatcher era for a range of - good, in my mind - reasons.

I have not been sarcastic. I was genuinely surprised by the statement that a political party won the war - first or second.

How many 16 year olds make good decisions

Most of them.

The Tories are not a safe pair of hands. They are a pair of furry monster claws, with jagged talons and bristly bits like when Fr Jack had the hairy hands. Like a coconut crab claw covered in a Chupacabra fuzz.

I have to say, I agree about the NHS. It has been on its knees for decades and has just become a political football that no party has the guts to actually tackle properly. When the NHS was conceived, many of the treatments that exist now didn't exist so it was much cheaper to run. People died a lot earlier- they didn't live for 2 decades propped up by about 20 different prescriptions like they do now. Plus the lifestyle diseases of today don't kill you as fast as in the good old days. I cannot think of a single politically palatable solution though, I have to say. It would be very unpalatable and therefore require a cross party consensus

and the fish woman in Scotland

Bloody hell, she happens to share a surname with the name of a fish and you call her that???

Many young people are conservative; they're just quieter about it because it's frowned upon

Many young people and in fact older ones just vote the way their parents did because it's what they've been brought up to believe in. If they actually looked in to the policies they might find their interests are not best served by who they are blindly voting for

What, so we end up with a labour government under Corbyn?

Four more bank holidays would be horrible as they come out of my annual leave so that is almost a week of leave I cannot pick and book instead I will have days off when told when all the world and his wife clog the place up. Corbyn doesnt think things through and this is a more trivial example of that. His policies remind me of me aged 16 and idealistic.

I know, Plymouth.

Some of what he says sounds nice but then you realise most of it is just silly.

And then you get the nuances of anti-semitism and I shudder

Bloody hell, she happens to share a surname with the name of a fish and you call her that???

No, we call her the Bottom Feeder. I would probably name her correctly if she didn't keep going for Independence when a democratic referendum has recently said it's not what Scottish people want.

That referendum predated the EU referendum, though...It's an important factor.

And , presumably if there was another referendum it would also be democratic. People are allowed to change their minds when presented with new facts or a new state of affairs. That's why there are floating voters, after all not meant to be a fish related pun

I use the shorthand "the fishy folk" with a pro union friend to mean Salmond and Sturgeon. It's a hard one to pass up. And it saves a syllable.

Bottom Feeder was pushing for another referendum well before the

Comments from May 3rd "Nicola Sturgeon says it is a matter of when, not if, there is another referendum on Scottish independence".

It is being pushed forward sooner because of Brexit, but Brexit is not the cause of another referendum. It was always going to happen and Bottom Feeder was clear about that.