To think the tide may be turning...

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Apparently under twenty fives have been registering to vote in high numbers, assuming because lots of Tory policies have hit this age group negatively. AIBU to feel optimistic that they will turn out to vote and possibly prove the poll predictions wrong?

Any under 25's here who have registered with this intention?

Yeah I'm in that demographic and I will be voting labour. Not because of the amazing leadership but because I absolutely can not trust Theresa May.

I am also about how Mrs May can even think about wasting time on a GE, like doesn't she have Brexit to focus on?

The weirdness of all this makes me even more inclined to think this is about those 29 MPs under investigation. If they all get suspended she will lose the majority of the house and the crown can force parliament to form a coalition.

My only question is why did everyone agree to one?

keeping UKIP, SNP the Greens and other fringe parties out of Westminster

Oh right, so what are those 54 'fringe party' MPs on the opposition benches then? I'm no great fan of the SNP, but to call a party that took 50 per cent of the vote and all but three of the seats they contested a fringe party is absurd.

If people didn't register and vote in the referendum last summer, when every vote really did count, then I don't see them registering and voting now.

Unless you have turned 18 since 23rd June 2016, you really should have registered before now...

(And if you have local elections in May, you still should have registered to vote before now, because local elections are very important too)

Because Corbyn is deluded and Momentum have conned him into thinking that all the under 25 year olds will vote for him just like they did in the leadership contest. they are behind the anyone but Tory campaign.

perhaps those in the anyone but tory camp need to do a bit of research on Momentum just to see who their bed fellows really are in this.

Excellent post mummymeister, then we have the no nukes!! he has said he will get ridof them,so what happens then??? we are stuffed, he is an idiot!

Devorak:

"I am worried about tactical voting, vote swapping and other legal but morally wrong (IMO) practices giving everyone something they don't want."

Please explain to me in what way is tactical voting morally wrong?

"Similarly to every other voter, I hope the party I will be voting for wins. I also think there is incredible ignorance amongst some voters. A spectacular thread recently where the poster gleefully said how much they hated Tories but had done no research and listed off a list of Labour policies which were the driving force for her never ever considering voting conservative. "

It is interesting that you say that. I read the same thread and whilst there were people being unreasonable on both sides of the debate there was a lot of well informed opinions and debate. Perhaps you are not that open to arguments that oppose your beliefs.

In fact tbh it was the conservative voters that seemed to real of soundbites that I believe were not founded in research e.g "the tories are a safe pair of hands". Using a parties policies as a reason to vote for them is not ignorant whilst using marketeer speech is in my opinion.

"When I was an 18 year old, I may have been swung by the promise of more bank holidays and not had the intelligence of maturity to think about the repercussions of this and if was important. I may have voted for the party who promised to fund absolutely everything I'd ever wanted whereas now I wonder if they will be able to and see that the party promising to deliver a unicorn and a million pounds to every school child (alternatively, renationalising the NHS or democratise the internet). "

In what way does increasing the amount of bank holidays we have in the UK (to bring us in to line with most of Europe) equate to promising a unicorn.

The rest of Labours policies also seem very reasonable to me and are by no means a fairy tale. If we are so poor as a country how can we afford brexit, over £70 billion in tax cuts for the wealthy and trident?

Also under the tories the national deficit has risen despite brutal cuts and the pound is in a terrible place. They sold of royal mail for 60% of its value.

You may think I am ignorant by stating all of this but tbh I think you may be the one ignorant of the facts and your patronising tone will not help convince anyone to agree with you.

it's a catch 22 situation, we've already triggered article 50 so brexit is happening and won't be stopped.

with regards to money, there isn't any. so the only realistic option is to raise tax revenue, but no party will actively put that in their manifesto as the major point as it will put off all sorts of businesses who have employees who actually contribute significant sums (not talking about the tax avoiding huge guns but the middle income bracket who've seen contributions increase constantly whilst NOTHING in the services or nhs or education has actually improved. Therefore their increased taxes have been wasted by various in government - hmm appealing to be paying significantly more then)

More voters get involved would be a good thing but let's also engage the huge amount of the population who can't be arsed to vote or don't think their vote counts.

really we wouldn't have been in this situation, by the brexit turnout, if the brexit policy had made it clear that a significant percentage of votes (say 60:40) rather than the wispy washy split down the middle being a "huge" majority, would ha e pushed brexit forward.

now there is no plan (in either direction) there is stalling to find out what other eu countries are going to do.

All in all tory/labour/libdem/ukip we are royally fucked, there isn't a significant figure head that can lead this country to the promised golden land. I will be voting, I will vote locally for the person who will listen to their constituents and do the best for them. That's the only hope I have, because we are in for a rocky ride whatever the result, and one that will last for a considerable time. Wouldn't surprise me with all the discord around the globe, and all the trashy figureheads currently in place if we end up having another significant war 😢😢.

i'm ever the optimist obviously 😳

PR would not work in the UK

We already have PR systems in three out of the four U.K. countries. Seems to work okay?

the current system gives us moderate government, keeping UKIP, SNP the Greens and other fringe parties out of Westminster.

Er? Currently the SNP have almost all the Westminster constituencies under FPTP, and less than half under the PR system at the Scottish Parliament. They didn't get a massively different vote share in the two elections.

Only 32% vote yes to it in 2011. Everyone calling for PR now seems to have forgotten that referendum. You had your chance, that ship has sailed. And no one else (apart from me) ever seems upset that the LIb Dems didn't give us the PR referendum.

I haven't forgotten - I voted for PR in 2011, but like the remoaners, I'm not shutting up just because things didn't go my way.

the current system gives us moderate government, keeping UKIP, SNP the Greens and other fringe parties out of Westminster.

So it denies the people who voted for those parties any representation - not very democratic.

FPTP is not proper democracy.

mummymeister:

"perhaps those in the anyone but tory camp need to do a bit of research on Momentum just to see who their bed fellows really are in this."

Right so if you are not voting for the conservatives you are ignorant?

Imagine registering to vote Labour because you think Corbyn will actually give us more bank holidays

Having 4 more bank holidays isn't a bad thing!

Lifetime Tory voter. Would vote Labour if it wasn't for that ineffectual, delusional codger at the helm.

"Excellent post mummymeister, then we have the no nukes!! he has said he will get ridof them,so what happens then??? we are stuffed, he is an idiot!"

Yes he must be totally crazy to not want to spend £100 billion + on a nuclear program to be purely used as a deterrent i.e to never actually be used. Would you push the button and wipe out millions of people?

So the gist of the replies are so far is that Labour voters can not be trusted to vote for sound political reasons but only because of unicorns and more bank holidays.

I'm in this age category and I'll be voting Tory for sure. Too many idiot softy lefties who want to give everyone the world without working for it. Labour is no longer for the working man.

Having 4 more bank holidays isn't a bad thing!

Apart from for businesses, the economy, owners of businesses, temporary workers, bank workers, the NHS.

pumpkinpilot - how on earth can you construe that from what I have written? if I was saying you were ignorant then that's what I would have put.

4 more bank holidays - loss of income and still some people have to work these so its not everyone.

Burn Try telling that to small businesses and the self employed, some of whom were on the radio this morning saying it will totally bugger them up. It is yet more proof that Corbyn is, I'm afraid, totally out of touch. It smacks of desperation in the sense of "I've realised you all think I am shit and have no chance of winning; how about if I say you can have 4 more days off, will you vote for me then?" I saw him on Marr and he was rubbish. Why piss off the huge numbers of small businesses with this? Would have made FAR more sense to have pushed things like renationalising the railways because everyone ought to get behind that - cheaper and better run railways, more freight by rail and therefore off the roads (therefore reducing the diesel admission problems), good for all business potentially.

*Having 4 more bank holidays isn't a bad thing!

Apart from for businesses, the economy, owners of businesses, temporary workers, bank workers, the NHS.*

Exactly. And the very people he should be targeting for votes no doubt. Absolutely farcical. I vote for whoever I feel aligned with at the time. No ties with any. I will not however, be voting for a man that couldn't decide which side of the fence he was on with Brexit though, and therefore left his supporters in no mans land with how to vote for it

My 18 year old will be voting for the first time.

At the moment, he says he'll vote conservative, but he wants to read the manifestos and may yet change his opinion.

So if anyone bothered to look this up:

There is only one country in the world with less bank holidays than the UK and that is Mexico.

Both Japan and Germany have more that us and they are not particularly well known as being work shy.

So come on conservative voters please break it down for my small ignorant brain. Exactly how is this going to ruin the country?

"pumpkinpilot - how on earth can you construe that from what I have written? if I was saying you were ignorant then that's what I would have put."

You stated that perhaps anyone who was not a conservative voter should do more research about the Labour party your words not mine!

Pumpkin But we have the most generous statutory holiday entitlement in Western Europe, so it can be said it balances out.