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To think the tide may be turning...

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Goldenhandshake · 24/04/2017 09:09

Apparently under twenty fives have been registering to vote in high numbers, assuming because lots of Tory policies have hit this age group negatively. AIBU to feel optimistic that they will turn out to vote and possibly prove the poll predictions wrong?

Any under 25's here who have registered with this intention?

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wasonthelist · 24/04/2017 19:41

It shows that Labour spent a long time making people feel like they were better off than they were by spending without increasing tax revenue.

So who is the "tax cutting party" then?

specialsubject · 24/04/2017 19:47

what worries me about this is that so many have already decided on their vote. No manifestos and under a week of campaigning.

no wonder we have so many safe seats.

Justanotherlurker · 24/04/2017 20:05

So who is the "tax cutting party" then?

Well it's an historic throwback, the percentages kind of show that "tax the rich/rob the poor" is rhetoric used by both sides as the percentage per gdp is the same.

We are in a totally different world now to when Thatcher was in power, globalisation is starting to take a firmer grip (not totally a bad thing) which means the rhetoric of "tax the rich" is, whether people like it or not is on an even sharper knife edge, the current government has however done some good by lifting the basic allowance before tax and raising the minimum wage, there are many posts on here around labour increasing the wage to £10 an hour, but it is within the same time frame as the current cons are promoting it to be at £9.50, while that extra 50p per hour is a good thing when you look at it on balance its not a huge difference. Its nothing more than tribal, and shows that even labour understand that it has to be a slow increase.

UBI is a very good concept but the obstacles of introducing it is a toxic subject to the general "left".

wasonthelist · 24/04/2017 20:31

I agree the increase in personal tax allowance was a good thing.

That wasn't a Tory policy though, it was a Lib Dem one.

Also the minimum wage increase was shamelessly stolen from Labour.

Justanotherlurker · 24/04/2017 21:10

That wasn't a Tory policy though, it was a Lib Dem one.
Also the minimum wage increase was shamelessly stolen from Labour.

This is your tribal nature at play though, you have to add a caveat that the tory's have done overall good things, the country doesn't reset after every election and its not uncommon to realise that certain policies are good, labour followed many of tory policies, good and bad.

gillybeanz · 24/04/2017 21:23

Are any parties planning on scrapping tuition fees.
They'll get my vote Grin
It has to happen sooner or later.

Justanotherlurker · 24/04/2017 21:31

Are any parties planning on scrapping tuition fees.

Well to put the tutiton fees cat back in the bag would need a wider acceptance that degrees have become devalued and we cannot follow Labours policy of over 50% to go to university ~~to massage the youth unemployment figures~~, there are consequences now associated with scrapping of fees that its a no win situation, much like the housing situation.

SuperBeagle · 24/04/2017 21:32

It has to happen sooner or later.

Nope! We've had tuition fees where I am since the 70s, and they were brought in by a Labor government.

Meekonsandwich · 24/04/2017 21:48

I just hope they use their votes and don't just register and not to, I only just learned that if you don't use your vote you automatically vote for the person already in power!
I had no idea!

wasonthelist · 24/04/2017 21:54

This is your tribal nature at play though,

No it isn't - I have voted for a range of non-Tory parties during my life.

It is a fact that without the Lib Dem part of the Coalition we'd never have mad the much-trumpeted rise in personal allowance. It doesn't mean I'm not pleased it happened. Or that I have ever found enough in a Tory Manifesto that I could vote for.

wasonthelist · 24/04/2017 21:55

Labour followed many of tory policies, good and bad
Almost all bad in my opinion, one reason I stopped voting Labour.

usernamealreadytaken · 24/04/2017 22:06

Meek that's not true, it's an urban legend at best (unless you're not in the U.K. and your system works differently).

Dawndonnaagain · 24/04/2017 22:09

Definitely not the way it works Meek.

grannytomine · 24/04/2017 22:13

My husband is 70 and has voted Conservative all his life. He is going to vote Lib Dem. I can't quite believe it even though I've heard it from his own mouth. He can't quite bring himself to vote Labour.

WankingMonkey · 24/04/2017 22:14

I just hope they use their votes and don't just register and not to, I only just learned that if you don't use your vote you automatically vote for the person already in power!

Thats not true, but its a useful myth I think as it would encourage people to vote. Anything that encourages votes is great in my book. I find it quite sad that so few seem to actually use their votes though kind of understand the 'they are all a shower of shit, why bother' people too.

Justanotherlurker · 24/04/2017 22:33

No it isn't - I have voted for a range of non-Tory parties during my life.

Don't think you understand the irony of your comment

wasonthelist · 24/04/2017 22:38

Don't think you understand the irony of your comment

How is that "tribal" surely tribal would be only voting for one? and I'm not wild about your sneering patronising tone, either.

specialsubject · 24/04/2017 22:45

Where did you hear that, meek ??? I couldn't find it on gov.UK. strange. Hmm

Thewolfsjustapuppy · 24/04/2017 22:52

Are any parties planning on scrapping tuition fees.
The greens want to scrap tuition fees, in fact they have a few interesting policies.
I have never voted Tory or labour and won't this time either. Up to this point I have always voted green but I'm a bit undecided at the moment.

Redlocks28 · 24/04/2017 22:54

I just hope they use their votes and don't just register and not to, I only just learned that if you don't use your vote you automatically vote for the person already in power!I had no idea!*

Grin
Jux · 24/04/2017 22:55

A lot of dd's friends would ge doing exactly that, op, but they turn 18 too late Sad

Meek that is simply untrue and scaremongering.

photographyaddict · 24/04/2017 22:56

I'm 21 and voted last time around, this time I am more informed about politics and policies because last time I was a naive teenager who didn't know who to vote for.

Justanotherlurker · 24/04/2017 22:57

Almost all bad in my opinion, one reason I stopped voting Labour.

If you think it makes you morally superior then good on you.

It is a fact that without the Lib Dem part of the Coalition we'd never have mad the much-trumpeted rise in personal allowance. It doesn't mean I'm not pleased it happened.

If it was just down to the Lib Dems the tory's wouldn't have continued to raise the threashold, as I said if its a good policy it will be introduced.

Or that I have ever found enough in a Tory Manifesto that I could vote for.

Thats the point I was making earlier on, it's juvenile to think that all parties and supporters generally want to improve the country as a whole, there are outliers on both ends of the spectrum, but as a centrist country people differ as to how to tackle the problems. Someone voting differently to you doesn't make them morally bankrupt

GardenGeek · 24/04/2017 23:10

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JustFuckingReally · 24/04/2017 23:54

If you actually listened to what JC said, the economic impact of extra BH is balanced out by the extra spending from people on days out. DIY etc

Did I actually just read this?

I know what I'll do to rebalance the economy in the light of 4 extra holidays, I'll paint my fucking dado rail duck egg blue 🙄🙄

Do you need a visa to visit your world and do unicorns live there?

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