Aibu to think that Labour needs to offer alot more than four additional bank holidays

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Surely they need to bring more to their manifesto!!!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39682388

It's a Labour-bashing thread by an OP who hasn't read the manifesto at all - but maybe the headline in the DMail?

Have Labour released their costed 2017 manifesto yet??

"Give a poor person £10 and its going to be spent locally".

What is "locally"? The same street, the same ward, the same town, the same county, the same country?

Piece - genuinely interested. What's the vote-rigging and can you send a link? I knew a number of tory organisations are under investigation because they had discounted the touring Battle Bus from their constituency expenditure and consequently went over the electoral rules on local expenditure. I hadn't heard of vote-rigging except in certain cities/London districts where certain powerful local people were abusing the postal vote system or using undue pressure on constituents (eg Tower Hamlets).

Im a social housing tenant who is teetotal doesnt smoke and am childfree by choice.

There are a few of us around you know.

helena

I was just starting to think that maybe it was time to start voting labour. (Lib Demmer). That anything other than Tories. But then this - their biggest headline since election was announced. Smacks of 4 people sitting in the pub, scribbling ideas on the back of a fag packet for how to get people to vote for them. No point to this idea, doesn't contribute to any grand plan. Where is the vision and the strategy? Where is the evidence that this will do anything to help the current crises, and if it won't - stop wasting time and get on with the more important stuff.

^£10 minimum wage for all workers over the age of 18
The UK is the only country in the developed world where workers' wages are declining in real terms^
According to Radio 4's More or Less the lower paid are better off now due to tax and benefit changes despite lack of inflation rises in pay. Minimum wage will be over £9 by 2020.

Renationalise the NHS The majority of NHS spending was always to private companies and never nationalised, including GP's, drugs, supplies etc. Only employees are actually nationalised. The only bits of healthcare that are paid for; opticians, dentists and prescriptions were all introduced by the Labour party. Not sure what changes he plans to make to alter all this.

Holding the Tories to account over Brexit How does this work if he is power? Or is he proposing people vote for him and he will put the Conservatives in power? Or just make them deal with Brexit?

Agree with EwanwhoseArmy.

A bank holiday at the end of October would make more sense though (as there is nothing between the end of August and Christmas.

I think the reason ppl shy away from this though is because some ppl may object for religious reasons when it falls on Halloween.

I read the thread - I do not believe there is any credible detail to deliver these policies. Tell me how much my taxes have to go up for each of these items. He's trying to do too much at once.

I have no idea why the hell we need to create a national education service.

I don't believe in free tuition - tuition fees are a subsidy to middle class kids that do nothing to address the attainment gap. Improve scholarships and have targeted policies for the bottom 10% of school achievers.

It's a nice idea, but there is already a cluster of Bank Holidays in March to May anyway. This year there will have been 4 in little over a month.

Adding in 3 saints days to make 7 in a 3 month period, with only the August BH between then and Christmas will be inconvenient to some.

We do have a low number of BHs in the UK compared with other countries though but I'm not sure extra BHs will help a lot of people in retail etc who generally have to work those days as busy serving office hours workers who have the day off.

Maybe they should just increase the minimum holiday allowance to at least 30 days a year including BHs?

He's promising the world on a stick and what he is proposing is just not do-able. Well the majority of it isn't do-able. I so do not want to vote for May or waste my vote on a Lib Dem one (would be a waste in this ward), but we seem to be stuck between shit and shitter .

Just watched his justification & reasoning behind the extra bank holidays (on Andrew Marr):

"People need to have more time to spend with their families".

"The BofE have said that costwise it won't be detrimental as people spend more on bank holidays as they're out & about"

I was left bemused as to why Andrew Marr didn't ask the most obvious question:

Where are these 'people & their families' spending their money??!!

In shops/cafes/etc where.......people are working?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Make 30 days standard annual leave compulsory (with bank holidays on top) and that makes sense.
4 forced days? Madness.

Have Labour released their costed 2017 manifesto yet??

Is the Tory announcement regarding the breaking of the tax pledge an admission that thier numbers are not working out?

I don't understand why people, who want and need the benefits from the labour manifesto (i.e. Tutition fees, min wage, nationalisation, nhs and school funding etc) dismiss it all as poppycock. If they managed to achieve half of what they set out to do, then surely most of the country would be in a better state and it is at least a starting point to reverse all the damage the Tories have caused. The Tories have shown plenty of times that they will just u-turn on whatever they say and work to line their pals and the riches. Can we really chance May and her cronies getting her hands on the nhs and selling it off to US corporations?

I don't think labour are getting a fair run in the press re their policies. Even more reason all parties should have a public debate and I think May is using the medias disinterest to her advantage.

line their pals and the elite pockets

Should proof read before I post

Looking at the full manifesto kindly provided by Justanother, it does look impressive at first sight, but haven't we been here before with Labour with some of those listed? They're just not going to work on a financial level, as we are going to incur massive debts putting them in place, or they're just going to be pre election ideas offered, but if Labour did get in, they would be discarded or sidelined. They're very popular policies, which would be attractive to a lot of voters, but would be mostly unworkable imo.

I think he has taken advice and decided to do a little for nationalism you know becuase those working class people he represents love a bit of nationalism

What about the Labour party PFI contracts? As of 2007, local and central government were committed to pay £267bn over the lifetime of contracts - all to private companies.
Not sure how you can trust the Labour party when it has transferred far more NHS money to private hands than the Conservatives ever have.

And what help is there for the owners of small businesses, who will be hit with an increased wage bill for staff on the minimum wage, plus loss of business for the additional bank holidays? What will happen is what happened when the minimum wage increased to the living wage. Some staff will be laid off to allow for the business owner to find the extra money to meet the increase. Some businesses will close. Ours would. We exist on a financial knife edge as it is.

copper

I was sat there yelling the same stuff at the telly

Get rid of bank holdidays and just have extra holidays would be a good idea

I yell at the telly far too much these days!!

dismiss it all as poppycock. If they managed to achieve half of what they set out to do, then surely most of the country would be in a better state and it is at least a starting point to reverse all the damage the Tories have caused.

There are a lot of voters who are not so tribal and understand that achieving half of what any party sets out to do is generally good for the country, and that is discounting the nebulous aspect of tackling it from different angles.

There is also a huge swath of voters who have not only voted under the last Labour regime but also understand that the country doesn't reset every time a new government gets in.

cooper

I said to dh 'JUST HOW ATTACHED ARE YOU TO THIS TELLY???!!!'

I shall be deathly silent later though when Line of Duty is on...!!

I demand ABSOLUTE SILENCE from all for that.