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To hate what is happening (sorry its an election one)

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 08:46

I hate what is happening to my country. I am British and pr...... well actually not so much these days. I was proud to be part of a diverse country that embraced what "others" could bring in terms of economic and cultural gain. That we were a respected nation that made a difference in the global stage. But now we have become that selfish little brat in the playground, with the nice sweets they don't want to share. No one wants to play with that child anymore, the other kids realise that they are really not all that and quite frankly a little bit pathetic.

I was proud to be British and part of something bigger (Europe) and it made me feel safe.

Now i don't feel safe - i know there are other things at play here.

We are being dictated to by an UNELECTED (oh the irony) harridan who knows full fucking well that she is the only one who can negotiate the shit storm that is Brexit at this stage. Giving the country hobson's choice .

People will forget that she will decimate our schools and create an even more exclusive (not in a good way) society where the less able, less privalidged and ordinary people will be an after thought. Those on benefits will have no voice - look what they have done to disabled people with their fucking benefits cap (the cunts).

Local authorities are scrimping and it shows, so why has my council tax just gone up £50 a month and the services provided being slashed? Hmm

Do you know what i hate more - that this elitism is like a cancer. It spreads, insidiously even throughout the very people that May and her cronies wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

People who i work with seem unanimous in their hero worship of this "strong leader" . Well yes she is a strong leader but that does not mean she is a good leader.

Tuition fees
grammar schools
immigration cap
selling off the nhs via the back door
benefits cap
raised taxes for all whilst protecting their own with tax avoidance schemes.

WAKE THE FUCK UP !!

sorry, rant over, i know very little about politics but i know that im worried for the future.

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ShottaSheriff · 23/04/2017 13:40

I tend to agree with the majority of what you say TheoriginalLEM.

I'm amazed that you are getting so much criticism for not having done some research before expressing your political views, whilst at the same time there are so other many posters stating their views as fact, when they are simply untrue.

It seems to me that so many people are unable to join the dots between what is happening in their lives and the actions of the government.

Take the view that TM is a strong leader. The press have chosen to support this view and now everyone seems to believe it. How is she strong? Saying publicly that she won't call an election and then doing the opposite? I don't see evidence of real strength at all. It is all sound bite, backed up by our right wing media.

What about the NHS? It is deteriorating rapidly in the face of underfunding, not the burden caused by immigration. There seems to be a lot moving money around to create a pretense of increased funding but ultimately it is being stripped bare, to no doubt encourage more privatisation.

Education, housing, rail network- these are all deteriorating under the Tories, yet people are still keen to vote Conservative and lay the blame elsewhere.

Brexit (especially a hard Brexit) is going to be an economic disaster for this country, and I am also very worried for the future. I can't see how it is going to be ok.

mirime · 23/04/2017 14:13

LadyPW Social care is in crisis, leading to increased burden on the NHS, financial support via benefits for people with disabilities has been reduced and made harder to get and when too many people were winning appeals rather than fix the system they made it harder to appeal.

Just look at DLA and the switch to PIP, largely justified on the lie that DLA was too easy to get and lifetime awards were handed out for no reason.

Things have got worse and austerity is not the reason given that no money has actually been saved, it's just gone to private companies instead of the people that need support.

Labour aren't without blame in all this - they brought ATOS in - but the Conservatives have made it worse.

thatdearoctopus · 23/04/2017 14:45

But how can anyone possibly consider that Jeremy Corbyn (or rather Labour) is a viable option?
I mean, one of his most publicised opening gambits to his campaign is for four more Bank Holidays! FOUR! Ffs, that will mean we have 7, yes SEVEN, between March 1st and the beginning of June. If that's evidence of joined-up thinking, then I'm a Dutchman.

JanetBrown2015 · 23/04/2017 14:48

Th eoroiginal post is one view.

A lot of the rest of us are very much behind May and half the country voted for brexit too (not I but I still think we hneed to negotiate the best brexit wwe can and May is brilliant and just the job as a person to be in charge of that). We are very lucky to have her.

Whatever our various political views on here I do hope every single mumsnetter with the right to vote does vote in June , whatever they vote for.

Crowdblundering · 23/04/2017 14:49

local authorities are scrimping and it shows, so why has my council tax just gone up £50 a month and the services provided being slashed? hmm

Erm because the government have slashed the money they give to the LA meaning they are crippled and still expected to give the same services (such as social care).

We have to run every single thing we spend past senior management ATM (think post it notes) and I work in children's services.

That's why your council tax has gone up.

Devorak · 23/04/2017 14:54

@TheoriginalLEM

I'm glad you have a vote, I just wish you would use it from a position of research and education instead of self-proclaimed and ill-informed ignorance.

metalmum15 · 23/04/2017 16:01

octopus Ah yes, but we all love Bank Holidays. Can't beat a Monday off work /school.

thatdearoctopus · 23/04/2017 16:45

You can when it's your only day off a week anyway!

But that's not my objection.

WrongTrouser · 23/04/2017 16:58

I've never understood the view expressed up thread that Theresa May is a hypocrite because she supported remain and is now leading Brexit.

That doesn't make her a hypocrite, it makes her someone willing to accept a democratic decision and work to achieve it.

ChampagneSocialist1 · 23/04/2017 17:05

Actually Gordon Brown sowed the seeds of the housing crisis by raiding the pension pots and making saving for a pension v unattractive. People then looked for an alternative and started to invest in BLT as a pension alternative. Uncontrolled immigration and not building more social housing when the economy was bouyant lead to massive increases in housing cost which all happened under labour.

WankingMonkey · 23/04/2017 17:07

The whole world appears to be going more 'right' and its quite scary tbh. Our council tax has also gone up a lot and services are being slashed. the blame for cuts is being laid on the council when they can't really do anything but cut when their own funds are slashed. its all such a mess. The thought of a Tory rule for a long time (IMO at least 20 years) scares the shit out of me. Fuck knows the state the country will be in by then given despite all these cuts the national debt is still rising so their approach clearly isn't working...though they won't change it as we must blame those with the least and keep taking away from them. Lets teach those awful scroungers who cannot find work, or those who cannot work due to disabilities a lesson eh...

Bringmesunshite · 23/04/2017 17:15

She isn't unelected. We don't have a president. She is the Prime Minister from the party that won the last general election. She isn't the same leader as the one that led the party that won the general election last time.
Corbyn is a waste of space. The Tories will win again. She will be Prime Minister for the Brexit negotiations.
I voted Remain. I will vote according to my conscience in this election. My views (centre left) are not prevailing at the moment. All this must pass.
I lived through Thatcher as a teenager. I'll live through this shit storm too.

ToastDemon · 23/04/2017 17:34

How rude and unpleasant many of you are.
And how ironic that someone had a big thread whinging that it was left-wingers who were nasty.
Are people really so arrogant tgat the believe that anyone who disagree with them politically must be wrong and uninformed, and thereby fair game for complete rudeness?

JustAKitten · 23/04/2017 17:37

I agree OP.

Justanotherlurker · 23/04/2017 18:05

I'm glad you have a vote, I just wish you would use it from a position of research and education instead of self-proclaimed and ill-informed ignorance.

Invoking Poe's law?

klondikecookie · 23/04/2017 18:09

Have to agree that, whereas I used to be fairly proud to be British, it's now a real embarrassment :(

CeciledeVolanges · 23/04/2017 18:34

Thank you for saying this.

Madwoman5 · 23/04/2017 18:53

Far from being a spoilt brat, we are the sharer in the playground. We have shared our sweets, even with the bullies, we have let anyone and everyone join in our playtime, even if they have cleared us out of sweets, taken our library books and borrowed our coat and shoes. We have let them change the rules, sometimes to suit them and sometimes to suit the majority. We have handed over our pocket money and they have asked for more. We have accepted the bullies sometimes have the protection of the prefect and get away with their behaviour towards us. We are breaking free and taking control of which games we want to plagy, where we are stronger alones a gang and what we spend our money on. The only ones who know for sure what the future will look like are the EU leaders. Junker and his cronies are going to be calling the shots, they will decide what they will share, they will decide how much we will be billed, they will decide the final outcome. All we can do is field our best team and hope they manage to get some concessions. I for one, would prefer to see teresa up there than tim or jezza. Tim's crowing and jezza's ineffectual attitude are laughable. This is a waiting game and it will take a while before things settle. Change is never easy so let's not shout about the sky falling in just yet.

SparkleSoiree · 23/04/2017 19:27

I think my question got lost in the various responses.

Can anyone tell me why capping immigration would be a bad idea as said upthread? I'm genuinely interested in factual information, not speculation.

mummabubs · 23/04/2017 19:37

Just wanted to say I agree with you OP. (We might not be in the majority who hold these views but there's a fair few of us out there!) Personally I think JC could capably lead. Firstly; the media (we know where their interests lie) have good reason to portray him as weak opposition and try to lessen public faith. I also think the concept that he wouldn't be capable of leading is tainted by our society's previous experience of prominent leaders/politicians in general: Word-spinning, non-democratic and out to widen the gap between the richest and poorest in society. JC would not be a leader akin to any of these, he'd be a different leader. And personally I relish the idea of change.

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 19:54

Thanks mumma. In all honesty i don't know if JC would be the right leader for us but that is because all i have really seen of him is how the media portrays him. I assume as even after all the challenges he has had against him as leader, his still being there tells me he must be pretty tenacious.

I knew I'd get flamed, its par for the course, politics seems to be fair game for a good roasting. Not once have i claimed my post to be anything more than a rant but i do feel that TM is holding us to ransom somewhat. I actually think she is very much the best person, as things stand, to get us through brexit but after that id quite like it if she were not prime minister as i genuinely feel she is self serving and has her own and her party's interests way
before those of the people and she has made us vote based on brexit. At first thought, fuck im going to have to vote for this person but fuck it, im not going to be manipulated.

I am a working class person. I have voted conservative and liberal Democrat in the past, i regret it so this time I'm voting with my heart. As i said, my vote wont make one jot of a difference as my area is staunchly conservative sadly.

Anyway, ive had a lovely day riding my bike and now enjoying a lovely cup of tea and doing some crochet. I'll leave the politics to all of you clever folk to research.

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OfaFrenchmind2 · 23/04/2017 20:10

Theresa May is a harridan, and Corbyn is tenacious (but let's forget about cronyist, mysogynist, anti-semit, and terrorist friendly)....
Should we also add sexist to ill-informed and ignorant?

JanetBrown2015 · 23/04/2017 20:16

I think May and Corbyn are both very good and hard working people actually (and I'm a May supporter). Corbyn seems to hold honestly held views and has conviction as does May. I am pretty glad Labour chose Corbyn as it helps May but that doesn't mean I think Corbyn is wicked. May and Corbyn both work very hard indeed to do their best for the country.

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 20:21

Oh don't mind me, im just stupid Hmm

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JassyRadlett · 23/04/2017 20:26

Can anyone tell me why capping immigration would be a bad idea as said upthread? I'm genuinely interested in factual information, not speculation.

Because it's entirely arbitrary, and takes no account of the particular needs of or opportunities offered to the county at different points in time, meaning it's likely to be either economically or socially sub-optimal, or both. Particularly in a country with such a stark skills gap and such a big universities sector profiting from foreign students.