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To hate what is happening (sorry its an election one)

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 08:46

I hate what is happening to my country. I am British and pr...... well actually not so much these days. I was proud to be part of a diverse country that embraced what "others" could bring in terms of economic and cultural gain. That we were a respected nation that made a difference in the global stage. But now we have become that selfish little brat in the playground, with the nice sweets they don't want to share. No one wants to play with that child anymore, the other kids realise that they are really not all that and quite frankly a little bit pathetic.

I was proud to be British and part of something bigger (Europe) and it made me feel safe.

Now i don't feel safe - i know there are other things at play here.

We are being dictated to by an UNELECTED (oh the irony) harridan who knows full fucking well that she is the only one who can negotiate the shit storm that is Brexit at this stage. Giving the country hobson's choice .

People will forget that she will decimate our schools and create an even more exclusive (not in a good way) society where the less able, less privalidged and ordinary people will be an after thought. Those on benefits will have no voice - look what they have done to disabled people with their fucking benefits cap (the cunts).

Local authorities are scrimping and it shows, so why has my council tax just gone up £50 a month and the services provided being slashed? Hmm

Do you know what i hate more - that this elitism is like a cancer. It spreads, insidiously even throughout the very people that May and her cronies wouldn't piss on if they were on fire.

People who i work with seem unanimous in their hero worship of this "strong leader" . Well yes she is a strong leader but that does not mean she is a good leader.

Tuition fees
grammar schools
immigration cap
selling off the nhs via the back door
benefits cap
raised taxes for all whilst protecting their own with tax avoidance schemes.

WAKE THE FUCK UP !!

sorry, rant over, i know very little about politics but i know that im worried for the future.

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IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 23/04/2017 09:55

I've never voted Tory but I do agree that many of the things you are talking about OP, are the fault of New Labour.
Blair and Brown allowed this housing crisis to flourish and get totally out of control, they've allowed privatisation to parts of the NHS, tax credits are out of control- Businesses should pay a proper wage NOT tax payers, not to mention them allowing unrestricted EU migration when they didn't need to, other EU counties put up restrictions so their country had controls.

So it's no wonder a lot of people are angry with labour and want the Tories back

Unfortunately I think the Tories will get 5 more years and in the meantime, Labour will sort themselves out and put in place a leader who acts like he can lead a country.

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 09:58

Why do people get so personal about politics?

I have very middle class tory voting very middleclass leftwing lentil weaving friends. I even have friends who voted ukip.

We all have very different views (ironically my immigrant bosses are about as right wing as you can get) but we manage to discuss it without patronising each other and calling each other nsmes.

I would say the overwhelming majority of my friends and colleagues are totally disengaged with the whole thing and probably wont vote.

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 09:59

Ifyougodowntothewoods - i wholeheartedly agree with every thing you said tgere.

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IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 23/04/2017 10:03

Lem, it's all so bloody frustrating and sad though isn't it?

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TheoriginalLEM · 23/04/2017 10:05

yes it really is - tony blair has a lot to answer for

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mirime · 23/04/2017 10:09

The Conservatives sowed the seeds of the housing crisis and also started PFI in the NHS.

Of course Labour could have done better in many areas - they brought ATOS in after all - but some of those things they didn't start.

Let's be honest though, none of the party's are perfect. You just have to vote for the party you think is least bad.

Babyroobs · 23/04/2017 10:22

Disabled people are exempt from the benefits cap aren't they ?

BeMorePanda · 23/04/2017 11:15

Nice sweets?
Irony is they are STOLEN sweets.
Stolen via colonisation, slavery, from exploitation of workers for centuries, corporate tax loopholes and rightwing media being owned and controlled by self serving billionaires.

A few goons have the stolen sweets, and a massive % of the country would rather suck Up to the playground bullies, is the hope they might be allowed a little sugar.

V demoralising.

SparkleSoiree · 23/04/2017 11:19

Why would a cap on immigration be a bad thing?

LadyPW · 23/04/2017 11:20

OP, you do know that the election gives you the chance to vote for whoever you want don't you? And if May is still PM in July then it'll be because the public think she's the best for the job? Oh, and taxes have come down under the Conservatives recently - lower CT rates for small businesses (as well as large ones), higher personal allowances (which means less tax for Jo Public).....
Still, if you want to shaft the country by voting for Corbyn (even though his own MPs think he's not up to it).....

makeourfuture · 23/04/2017 11:22

Our alignment with Trump is troubling.

lakehouse · 23/04/2017 11:24

Seems you don't understand how our political system works. Maybe a little more research, a little less belly aching would help you.

WesternMeadowlark · 23/04/2017 11:42

While I don't agree with everything you say, I agree with the general feeling.

I'm also frustrated that the myth that it's immigration that's caused pressure on public services has yet again come to the forefront in a lot of people's minds.

When it's private companies taking the money British people spend out of our economy by paying next to no tax on it and taking it overseas, thus siphoning off our cash, that's caused the problem.

The public mood was all over that a few years ago, but parties who showed interest in stopping it were either too small or didn't bother to campaign at the last General Election, and the moment has passed. (Yes, Labour, I'm looking at you.)

Now a lot of voters appear to be back to supporting grubbing around after pennies by chucking out a few more immigrants and leaving a few more disabled people to die, rather than stopping vast sums of money being drained out of the country in the first place*.

I don't have any particular feelings one way or the other about Brexit, but that's kind of my point. The EU, like immigration, was never really the issue, and yet it's been turned into one, presumably to take the heat off regarding genuine problems, and now it's splattered all over the election like mud on a windscreen.

It's depressing.

*And no, such companies won't cease operating in the UK if taxed properly. Their production and head offices are already overseas; all that is left here are their regional offices and shop fronts, and they will stay as long as there is a little cash to be made.

Imbroglio · 23/04/2017 11:45

Seems you don't understand how our political system works. Maybe a little more research, a little less belly aching would help you

Sorry but its comments like this that depress me. We need reasoned debate and dialogue where each of us listens to other views and concerns with respect.

lakehouse · 23/04/2017 11:53

You can't argue with stupid

Imbroglio · 23/04/2017 11:56
Hmm
Andrewofgg · 23/04/2017 11:58

So OP will you be happy when TM is an ELECTED harridan?

caroldecker · 23/04/2017 12:08

OP opening post:

their fucking benefits cap (the cunts)

People disagree

OP complains they are being had a go at

we manage to discuss it without patronising each other and calling each other nsmes.

Some consistency would be useful, the posts were only about an hour apart.

mirime · 23/04/2017 12:18

Oh, and taxes have come down under the Conservatives recently - lower CT rates for small businesses (as well as large ones), higher personal allowances (which means less tax for Jo Public).....

Personally I'd prefer to still be paying that extra tax and for vulnerable people to still have the support they need. I work in the voluntary sector, I see what's happening to people and it's appalling.

LadyPW · 23/04/2017 12:22

There was no more support for vulnerable people under labour. Besides, there are plenty of us taxpayers who are vulnerable to some extent but who wouldn't be eligible for help under any party - paying less tax means I have more to be able to put aside to see me through the harder times as I get older and struggle more with everyday life.

theduchessstill · 23/04/2017 12:36

Haven't read replies yet but just wanted to say how much I agree with the Opera. Exactly how I feel.

metalmum15 · 23/04/2017 12:49

I have to agree with some of what livelove says. It doesn't really matter if the thousands of immigrants coming to the Uk end up as car washers or doctors, the point is we are a tiny country compared to many others and we do not have enough space! ! More and more houses are being built on land we don't have, population is increasing so much we can't keep up with school places or doctors surgeries. Years ago the average family had 2 children, now they have 3. Roads are struggling as more and more people learn to drive and buy cars. If we were a country the size of Canada or Australia, it really wouldn't matter, but unfortunately we aren't. It's like having a 2 bed semi and cramming 10 people in. I like the fact Australia has a points system and are completely unapologetic about it.

Imbroglio · 23/04/2017 13:01

Loads of housing built by private developers is sold to foreign investors and stays empty...

Andrewofgg · 23/04/2017 13:19

Well Imbroglio as we are often reminded the British took over vast swathes of the world and did not always pay a negotiated price! If your pension fund owns a share of the developer company you will probably want them to get the best price that can get.