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To not want to see or speak to her again?

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froofroomcgoo · 22/04/2017 20:43

Been wanting to write this for a while but didn't have the guts. This could be loooong.

My BF is one of DH's BF. They met at uni, I met her about 3 months after he did. I was her maid of honor, she mine. DH was an usher at her wedding, we see each other most weeks. Or did.

I got pregnant shortly after getting married. She requires an operation before she can have children (well, it's advised the operation is before pregnancy as pregnancy could make her condition worse) she doesn't want the operation so has put it off until recently when she has had to organise it. She isn't sure she wants kids at all, wants to foster ASD children.

She was the first person we told I was pregnant. She was excited and happy for us, continued to see her regularly. Then baby came. I had mild postnatal depression, I was struggling with the physical changes to my body, I had a birth injury causing on going issues and my sex life was non-existent which along with my mood was causing issues in my relationship. I confided in her. DS was a velcro baby, bottle refuser and terrible, terrible sleeper. I was miserable, sleep deprived and depressed.

I feel that as a good friend she should have suggested nights in round mine, shopping trips or lunch out, nights round her with DS coming with me, walks in the park etc (which I did suggest to her). I feel she should have hugged me, listened to me, told me to buck up. I did ask about her life and the things important to her etc, it wasn't one sided.

Instead, she went out drinking and dancing with DH, invited him to child-unfriendly things, invited him to lunch, the park, shopping, coffee with DS (under the guise of giving me a break).

We used to all do a hobby together, which I can't do due to my birth injury. She'd invite DH to do that, knowing how upset it made me, she'd invite him to gigs, trips away.

DH would always ask me before saying yes or no, and would sometimes say no anyway as he knew I was struggling, but I felt bad asking him not to go (I know now I should have said when I wasn't happy.

She'd also do things such as when we were round hers, put music on and give DH drinks and start dancing, then say "I really want to go out dancing but I bet froo won't let you" within earshot of me.

It all came to a head when DS was about 8 months when DH and her were going away for an event. DH informed me he'd book a twin room (we're pretty broke) or take an airbed in a cheapo hotel. I found out the night before that he's booked a naice hotel with 4 poster bed (though it was cheap!) we had a massive row and they didn't go.

We discussed it afterwards and DH did admit that he and DF had been getting close, he's been confiding in her and enjoyed spending time with her and could see it wouldn't take much for him to start having inappropriate feelings for her. He admitted his behaviour had been out of order and we discussed the issues in our relationship and are working on those.

DH maintains that DF didn't know about the hotel and I shouldn't blame her. I pointed out all the issues above and told him I felt she had been a poor friend to me, and had been undermining our relationship by listening to me about how I felt and things that were going wrong and then using them to get close to DH. DH admitted that he hadn't seen it that way but could see my point and that that meant she wasn't a good friend to him either.

Unfortunately she is part of a wider close friendship group, making it very hard to cut her off completely. I've seen her maybe 6 times since this incident. I'm polite but cool. The rest of group don't know about any of this. DH is still maintaining a friendship with her, though made the decision himself not to see her alone at all, or without me where possible.

He feels over time I should forgive her and move on. I don't want to. There is history of her doing similar things and this is just the final straw. I don't want her in my life. It's been about 9 months now.

DH and I have been working through things and things have been pretty good. I haven't fully decided if I can get over what he did, I do believe it to be an emotional affair and I'm not sure I can forgive him, but I'm trying.

AIBU to never want too see her again? And certainly not consider her a friend?

I think we're doing well and then I find that last night, when out with work and drunk, he text her. He clearly wanted to see her (I don't know what he text, just her response of "I'm not out tonight" when it flashed up on his phone screen.) and know I'm thinking does he still have feelings for her?

I hate this!

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Tulipsaregold · 23/04/2017 10:03

So incredibly insensitive from the both of them, it's outrageous. I really feel forward you op, booking the blood four poster bed then lying to you about it and still texting her. I would not be with this man after all this sorry Flowers

EC22 · 23/04/2017 10:05

Theirs is a completely inappropriate relationship. Neither of you should see her again, it's just excuses that you need to.

ElspethFlashman · 23/04/2017 10:06

*Instead, she went out drinking and dancing with DH, invited him to child-unfriendly things, invited him to lunch, the park, shopping, coffee with DS (under the guise of giving me a break).

We used to all do a hobby together, which I can't do due to my birth injury. She'd invite DH to do that, knowing how upset it made me, she'd invite him to gigs, trips away.*

You wrote this as examples of her treachery.

I read: "I had PND and a horrendous injury and was in a bad way. My husband continued to go out on the piss with another girl. He went to lunch with her, to coffee, to gigs, to the hobby I love.....all whilst leaving me at home alone. He started developing feelings for her whilst I was struggling. Then he booked a four poster bed for the two of them and only didn't share it cos I happened to find out. Now he continues to defend her. He continues to seek out her company."

WatchHowISoar · 23/04/2017 10:08

How many times do they have to Fuck up before you say no more op?

Bambamrubblesmum · 23/04/2017 10:15

Your come across as very rational and logical. You're obviously a strong lady. But I also get the feeling you are trying to avoid facing up to the real situation by rushing straight into action rather than really processing the reality of what's occurred.

It's not just lax boundaries sharing a bed with someone else's husband. It really isn't.

He wants to take the blame and minimise her part because otherwise you will see it for what it is. A consensual affair between them both.

Your lives and friendship group has changed irrevocably. You can't just paper over the cracks and carry on as you were.

Your relationship has come to a cross roads. Drop the social life that is a hangover from your uni days and grow up into a proper family unit. One where he puts his wife and child first. Or continue to be a man child and treat his family appallingly.

Real men stand by their spouse during a crisis not look for a more fun option.

Tulipsaregold · 23/04/2017 10:16

Op he isn't a good and equal dad at all!! A good and equal dad is one who is there for the mum supporting her. Anyway you need to get evidence of hotel booking, text messages etc do this while you can, get any documents, shared accounts his bank accounts. It seems like they may get together when you end it and you will become thier enemy so you have to get oaoaersu, documents and evidence now. Good luck

notapizzaeater · 23/04/2017 10:21

Not one person. Here has stood up for friend or hubby, doesn't that tell you something ?

user1489179512 · 23/04/2017 10:21

I'm not really sure why this person - the woman - was in your life in the first place. It was never going to work properly. IMO

user1489179512 · 23/04/2017 10:26

I would want her husband to be put in the know, frankly. She deserves not to escape from this just because she is teflon-coated.

froofroomcgoo · 23/04/2017 10:35

donaldstott it's perfectly possible for both of them to be twats. It's not an either or!

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froofroomcgoo · 23/04/2017 10:39

Kate i put those down as those are the bits advice i followed. There were plenty of calls for LTB as well, which clearly i haven't followed as at the time i wanted to give him a chance.

On my last thread the overwhelming opinion was that I'd found them out before anything physical happened and that i should work on my marriage, which I've been doing, and thought he was too, but clearly not.

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Sugarpiehoneyeye · 23/04/2017 10:39

Hi Froo, firstly, I'm sorry you're going through this.
The woman wasn't a true friend.
Your DH is devious, and a chancer.
He booked not only a shared room, but one with a statement four poster bed 😮
He has previously accepted responsibility for his actions, not only to keep, and get you on side, but to save face too.
He has let you down again.
Counselling could educate him, but ultimately, will not stop his balls aching, for this other woman.
You deserve far better than this Lovely, raise the bar, you cannot kiss it better.

DonaldStott · 23/04/2017 10:45

Yes, but your 'friend' is not your husband. Your partner, your supporter, your other half.

Her actions are not important here. Your husbands are.

You never have to see her again.

You can call her and say I think you're a twat and we're done.

What's left after that, is the way HE has disrespected and treated YOU.

She is now irrelevant.

Tulipsaregold · 23/04/2017 10:46

Op I don't remember that thread but it's not something I would have supported. The bottom line problem is, at a time when although it's really hard as well he should be in the bubble of his little family and reveling in that. Instead he isn't and he fancies and wants to be with someone else. I am not sure how to you can counsel someone out of thier feelings? How can you stop hon from fancying this friend? I would say you can't he doesn't want to she doesn't want too.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 23/04/2017 10:48

I didn't see your other thread but based on what you've said here I'd find it hard to want to forgive him, he's still up for an affair with her.

KateDaniels2 · 23/04/2017 10:49

Op i just dont want you to blame yourself or parenting choices or birth injury or your mental health for him being a total shit bag.

You also hold no blame for not leaving.

The last thread was different. You viewed her and posted about her quite differently. It seemed your dh was trying to get her into bed. That he was leading this and hoping something would happen.

Given that he still won't support you, still contacts her, wants you to forgive her AND her behaviour.....it seems more likely there is more going on.

But remember that HE could have always said no to her. HE could have chose to put his wife and child first.

Regardless of her behaviour or what she wants......its his actions that are causing so much hurt. If he had been a decent husband and father, what she did wouldnt have mattered. And the friendship would have ended.

Can't help wondee what her husband thinks of all the time she spends with someone else.

froofroomcgoo · 23/04/2017 10:59

For those wondering about her husband, he also partakes in the mutual hobby.

He's an introvert, she's very much an extrovert so she is regularly 5 nights a week, out without him.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 23/04/2017 11:01

Did you read what Elspeth said at 10.06 op? It really is spot on.

froofroomcgoo · 23/04/2017 11:05

mummy yes i did and she is right, it does read that way.

He didn't always go. She'd invite him out 2/3 times a week, he went maybe once or twice a month.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 23/04/2017 11:09

But he still went out. And complained that he wanted to go out more but couldn't because of you, correct?

KateDaniels2 · 23/04/2017 11:14

She cant be wrong for inviting him, if he isnt wrong for going?

Did he ever go out with anyone else?

froofroomcgoo · 23/04/2017 11:16

mummy no, he didn't complain.

And I don't think it would have been healthy for him to never have gone out. He also supported me going out too, but DS was very very boob obsessed (and before anyone says it was convenient for DH to have me think that, my mum and DHs mum also tried several times).

DH does not have form for this. She does and i was stupid to trust her when i was so vulnerable.

I'm not saying DH did nothing wrong, he did, but I'm also not going to immediately say I'm going to LTB because people on the internet say so.

I'm going to get my ducks in a row, and seek out my options and the practicalities.

I don't need to gather evidence as some have suggested, i don't need to to divorce him. I'm also financially independent and savings/ salary wise we are very equal.

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KateDaniels2 · 23/04/2017 11:18

Lets face it.

You were all friends.

H and you decided to have a baby.

Your life changed

His life stayed the same.

He didnt support you even though you had his baby.

He transferred his relationship focus from you to her. Because she wasnt tied down by kids. Now you had his child. He isnt bothered actually changing his life. You can stay home. He can be free and easy with her

KateDaniels2 · 23/04/2017 11:21

Op he does have form. This has been going on ages.

Dont leave him if you dont want to.

But dont expect anything to change.

Tulipsaregold · 23/04/2017 11:24

Hi of yes equal now but if you do need to leave him you will be on single salary and paying Childcare. Sadly the systems for getting equal financial support are not there to ensure it stays equal afterwards. There is no harm in getting some information now... Even if you never have to use it. How would you work, who would look after baby etc.