To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

Crazy isn't it copper rose?!

I am struggling because

I can't forgive or forget what the Tories have done over the past 6 years to the poor and vulnerable. I do actually like Theresa May, but I can't get past what the Tories did to the poor, disabled, disadvantaged, working classes etc... The only decent thing they have done in my eyes is raise the minimum wage - and even THAT isn't high enough. Everything they have done has been too strict and too severe.

I can't forgive and forget what the Lib dems did with the uni fees (tripling them when they said they would abolish them!) And Tim Farron appears to be quite homophobic. So it baffles me why he is a Lib Dem!

I don't like Jeremy Corbyn, and I don't trust him; he keeps saying what people want to hear, and he keeps changing his stance 'I will take down trident, no I'll leave it actually, or will I?' And he appears to have done a U turn with Brexit. And the amount of amazing things he keeps promising us all are not doable. Where is the money coming from?

Ukip; Well they just seem a bit pointless snow. The whole point of them was to take us out of the EU. That's been done now. Plus, unfortunately, they attract too many right wing extremists.

BNP; no, just no. Too far right. And I was sure they had been abolished anyway?

Green party; too far left, too soft.

SNP and Plaid Cymru. Don't think I will even have those choices on my ballot paper, as I live in England.

These are just my views BTW, I don't/won't think badly of anyone who votes for any party. Or judge them for it.

Errrrm I would call not letting 300 vulnerable children seek refuge in our country & ruining the NHS & education system pretty darn nasty!

So, in a very polite and kind way I would like to share this link with you that shows how you can vote to get those caring and sharing Tories out:
www.tactical2017.com

You're welcome

BroomstickOfLove I think that a lot of people have shifted right without realising it because of the constant drip of the demonstrably proven right wing bias of the uk media.

www.economicshelp.org/blog/21191/economics/media-bias-in-the-uk/

Actually poster there is a much more convincing argument that public dialogue and the centre of politics has moved very much to the left in the past 20 years. And moaning about the right wing press generally prentends that it's 1982 and most people consume their news by buying a paper in the morning. They don't.

News is 24 hour and consumed from many sources especially the net now and print media is rapidly decreasing in importance.

I think we have definitely drifted a bit right or maybe blobbed into a central amorphous mass - people are horrified at some of the things left wing politicians ay as we all now seem to be in pursuit of blandness, left and right. This si the sort of thing that gives Britain First a foothold : as the only groups of people who 'speak as they find'.

To give one example ,look at the furore if someone now speaks against Israel (which used to be pretty common) or when Gordon Brown called a woman bigoted. How dare he actually voice an opinion?

Those are just examples : not meant to be one sided!

But I live in hope that we will never have a Le Pen!

What @beans said ^ yeah some people are afraid to speak with a view that they hold, for fear of being attacked by someone, or ridiculed, or losing their job. Remember ages ago, when the people who were BNP members had all their names published? Some people were sacked and had their houses vandalised and everything!

I don't support the BNP, but surely people should be allowed to vote for who they want to vote for, without retribution?

I don't want a wishy washy PM who doesn't have a backbone, but I don't want a LePen type person in either.

As I said, I have never been so stuck on who to vote for. Ever.

dh and I scored almost identically on that "what side" thing, and very much like the other posters on here.

I think that most people would vote in favour of deporting foreign criminals, which ups one's UKIP score. For most questions I was "Yes, but..." because I am the original on-the-fence sitter.

Actually, surely having a mix of all parties in one's voting proclivities is a good thing?

Hi @mousymary

Yeah having varying views and thinking all parties have something to bring to the table is a good thing. But who do you vote for in the general election?

I am genuinely stuck!

I couldn't agree more.

You get this dreadful shouting down going on. It's a moral outrage that someone could think differently to them.

It's disappointing and puts people off left wing politics.

Before I become the target of said victriol, I'm a life long labour supporter.

Conservatives, in my experience, are much more secure in their own beliefs and don't feel the need to behave in such a manner.

Agree with @Sarasue ^

To give one example ,look at the furore if someone now speaks against Israel (which used to be pretty common) or when Gordon Brown called a woman bigoted. How dare he actually voice an opinion?

I think it's the exact opposite. It used to be the case that to have said anything about Israel or Jews was terrible - but now I feel that anti-Semitism is almost - and I say this rather fearfully - trendy . And as for Gordon Brown, well, he did have his opinion, but it was that if someone professed an opinion about immigration they were automatically "bigoted" .

beans, I agree. But I think it's things like the left being unable to have a sensible conversation on things like migration which have forced people right.

Firstly that's Tony Blair's fault for opening the door to mass migration without it appearing in a manifesto or being official policy. So the assumption is the whatever Labour say they're going to favour an open door policy.

Secondly, they just have their head in the sand, denying immigration has negative consequences for anybody. Which stops them discussing things like housing or deterioration of available wages and conditions in low paid industry in any meaningful way. If they could do something like develop a housing plan which is actually relative to the growing population (which is probably impossible if it continues like it is) or legislation which would actually protect those in the worst hit industries like care or construction they might be able to still win votes despite favouring migration. But they won't. They'll carry on pretending that the fact you can get a really authentic Chinese takeaway makes up for living in overcrowded expensive conditions.

And if you keep on ignoring that elephant in the room (70% of the public want lower migration and prioritise it as a top issue) you will force people right.

In general people with very far right and very far left views are equally unpleasant.

Oh god not the nasty right wing press again card. Really seriously? Who do you actually know who
Sits down and reads any newspaper and belives it as gospel. No one does

To be fair to Labour and Corbyn they do want to build more social housing.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/27/jeremy-corbyn-1m-new-homes-plan-labour-government

Nasty , Personal attacks are not on of course . I think people session her as thatcher-esque in looks and personality and aim the vitriol accordingly, i also think many people me included are shocked and saddened at the hardened attitudes towards the poor and how it's made the lives of the already vulnerable people worse, and it's equally shocking how much people want to ignore those facts until it arrives on their doorstep.

My dad is fairly convinced that what he reads in the paper is correct

I told him something about immigration the other day and he just said 'why dont they tell you that then'

I think lots of people believe what they read and see on the telly

Rufus we all believe what we read and see on the telly though. Its just that someone of us choose to believe the Guardian and some of us believe the Daily Mail.

At the end of the day what you told your dad about immigration is something you read or saw on the telly and chose to believe.

less

You have no idea what i told him

You are right i did read it...it was on the home office website so I completely agree that it was more than likely a load of shit

And i also absolutely agree with you regarding the papers, except he reads only ever reads one

Having said that my post was in response to someone saying that no one believes what they read

When we both know that people do

Should also say that it wouldnt have occurred to me to look on the website its just someone on here recommended it

No I don't agree that the vast majority of people in this country are either manipulated or too stupid to assimilate snd have their own
Views. You may not like them but it's so.

Please don't go down the lazy road if it's all a right wing press conspiracy and that's why labour are doing so badly.

Political parties do badly when the electorate ain't convinced by the leader or the policies. Today it's the leader as in Corbyn. it was Foot in 1981 and successes were Thatcher and Blaire and its bugger all to do with the press. Not for most people.

bat why do you think i am talking about the right wing press

I think less was quite right when they said Its just that someone of us choose to believe the Guardian and some of us believe the Daily Mail.

I think - especially for younger people - social media is far more influential than the press, and that is left wing and a bit shrill and hectoring. Lots of "virtue signalling" and my way or the highway attitudes.