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to consider home educating my DD because she's happier during school holidays?

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Hoptastic53 · 20/04/2017 22:36

My DD is 6 and in year one. She's been under a paediatrician for two years as I think, and her nursery thought, that she has autism. I thought sending her to school would aid diagnosis and get her some support but there's been no progress. Any problems in the first year were attributed to settling in. Then this year to a new class, then to her teacher changed, then her paediatrician was ill on the day of her last appointment so we saw a different one who then wanted to leave it six months for a review. It's taking forever, and in the meantime DD is unhappy and I hate to see her this way.

The difference in her during the almost three weeks of Easter holidays has really made me think that I should just home educate her. During the holidays, she'd get herself up and dressed. She'd go to the toilet by herself, ask for particular hairstyles, be polite and much more chatty than usual, she ate a lot better than usual and slept through at least half of the nights. There were probably only 3/4 meltdowns over the entire holidays.

Fast forward to this week and it couldn't be more different. I start trying to get her up at 7.30. I wake her then go off to do jobs so she isn't under pressure as she doesn't respond well to immediate demands. She groans and thrashes around and won't get out of bed. Eventually she starts screaming and crying that she doesn't want to go to school and I have to physically lift her out of bed. I try persuading her to get ready but she generally screams more. Occasionally she'll let me dress her but mostly not. She screams like she's being murdered throughout having her hair and teeth brushed that it hurts. I have to lift her to the toilet because she refuses to go. She won't eat breakfast. She's a bit better once out of the house as she likes scooting but still needs constant encouragement to keep going.

After school she usually wets herself on the way home because she won't use the toilets at school. She barely eats any lunch. She runs away from anyone who tries to talk to her at lunch break (her teacher sees this as being playful Hmm) and complains constantly about the noise. She usually has a meltdown within half hour of arriving home. She barely eats any tea and is withdrawn or else upset all evening. She struggles to settle to sleep and then is up at least three times a night screaming hysterically. She is like a different child.

She doesn't have any friends and doesn't want any. She is miles ahead academically and not being challenged. I don't think changing schools would help though - she'd hate the noise/toilets/expectations anywhere. I think she'd be happier at home by a mile, but am I doing her a disservice if I decide to home educate?

DP is on board but my DSIS says she'll never learn to be sociable without being thrown in the deep end and that she won't get diagnosed without school agreement so it'll limit the support she can access.

AIBU to just want her to happy and home educate on this basis?

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Hoptastic53 · 21/04/2017 07:26

DD is the same - she hasn't been invited to any parties or play dates and even if she was, she wouldn't want to go. But if we go to soft play she will initiate play with others, she just likes it on her terms and when she can leave when she wants to.

She is brighter than her 8 year old sister and I think being bored with the work at school contributes to her struggling there.

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PegLegAntoine · 21/04/2017 07:29

Absolutely YANBU :)

HCantThinkOfAUsername · 21/04/2017 07:32

I could have written this word for word about my DS (he's 4).
Luckily his peadritician is really understanding but tends to just Medicate. He hates the noise/children etc.
School has asked for many meetings and seem to think he will outgrow itHmm.
You sound like a fab mum and HE sounds a good option.
Not possible in my situation as much as I wish it was.
Good luck Flowers

witsender · 21/04/2017 07:40

You don't need to manage formal schooling. Take her out, give her some time to deschool and find out what works for your family. A structured approach may not suit any of you. Most HE families I know have kids of varying ages, it is very normal.

londonrach · 21/04/2017 07:53

Go for it. Ive a friend on my fb who home ed her two (due to bullying, no support at school). Honestly its amazing what they learning. She does science experiences (photos are amazing) and ive never forgotten her butterfly topic. Seriously very indepth with very clever way of showing the life cycle and the art they did was amazing. She seems to have topics and goes once a week to meet others home schooling. She seems to have done more in one week than i did in a term at school. Saying that her oldest being 13 just returned to normal school. Your dd is only 6 so dont rule out school forever as it might be right for her later but know seems shes better at home. Good luck. Think mn had a home schooling bit somewhere x

harderandharder2breathe · 21/04/2017 07:54

School sounds horrible and stressful for her and her reaction is horrible and stressful for you. Neither of you can be happy.

HE with loving parents who are doing their best cannot be worse that what she's going through at school at the moment.

I have no experience, but I would pull her out as soon as possible and then not worry about "teaching" her for a while, just let her recover and get used to daily routine without school and to realise it's not just a school holiday, she really doesn't have to go back. Learning through experiences for a while rather than anything formal, there's time for that later, when she is more relaxed and open to it.

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/04/2017 07:54

There doesn't have to be anything she particularly doesn't like about school. I think it's the entire atmosphere. The total lack of understanding from every adult she comes into contact with. It sounds incredibly stressful for her. Different schools have different approaches and can vary massively. My dd doesn't have sn but I have spoken to parents, whose children have changed schools for various reasons. And the school needs to be a good fit for the child and it really does make a difference.

I'd have no qualms about HE right now. Perhaps further down the line, there will be a different school, where she will fit in perfectly. Or perhaps it will be best for her to be HE for the rest of her education. As others have said, nothing is irreversible.

AcornToOak · 21/04/2017 08:08

Please have a look at the Home Education UK group on fb, i havent been Home Ed'ing long but they have been an amazing group for support and advice,

something that jumped out at me for my son was "forced association is not socialisation" i heard that phrase and it all clicked into place, my son is ASD, ADHD, and has an attachment disorder, HE was the best decision I could have made for him

As previous posters have said its a reversible decision if its not right for you and it is definitely still possible to get a diagnosis,

I hope whatever decision you make it is the right one for you and your daughter and the journey is as awesome as ours is Grin

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 21/04/2017 08:14

I don't HE my own children (NT) but I think you would be doing the right thing by taking her out of this very stressful and disturbing environment. School is good for lots of children but not all, and the sheer numbers and all squashed in now with most classes at 30 means it can be overwhelming for anyone, particularly if they have sensory issues/autism/ASD. Someone said you aren't a professional teacher- true but teachers simply don't have time to spend a lot of time with one child who is struggling, it's big class management unless you have a statement.

Do what you think is right for your dd.

Sulis87 · 21/04/2017 08:22

Please don't worry about socialisation. In many parts of the country there are thriving home ed communities with endless opportunities to socialise - when and how it suits your daughter. For example, my asd dc doesn't do well with lots of children in confined spaces but has enjoyed home ed forest school groups where children can spread out a bit more and interact on their own terms.

user1492232552 · 21/04/2017 08:34

I'm studying at the moment to be a primary school teacher and I can assure you that you are more than qualified to perform the role. I haven't "learnt" much I didn't get from life and motherhood tbh. Shame teachers can't be a bit more experienced in both before they are allowed into the classroom.

OffOut · 21/04/2017 08:35

Why not try and see? She can always go back later. I don't see socialisation would be a problem - she has siblings, you can sociaslize with other home ed'ers and she can go to clubs. I think the only issue is that it's a lot of work for you but if you think you can do it then go for it.

Could you practice home ed over the summer? 🤔

Iris65 · 21/04/2017 08:38

even one day of formal learning and the rest with experiences and 'on the job' learning could be better than five unhappy days at school. She has a great attention span and really enjoys learning so I think she'd thrive in a 1:1 environment

I think that you are right. I am a teacher and my degree is in psychology.

NotMyPenguin · 21/04/2017 08:44

It sounds like a great idea.

Have you also investigated Montessori schools? Their ethos is around letting children work at their own pace, which sounds like it could be great for your DD.

kingfisherblue33 · 21/04/2017 08:46

I'd take her out. She won't be learning anything if she's so stressed at school, and she's not socialising either, so what's the point?

Take her out, let her relax at home then slowly introduce HE groups and activities so she's meeting new people but in a more relaxed atmosphere?

frumpet · 21/04/2017 08:59

I live in an area with quite a large HE contingent , I often see them meeting up to do group activities , so I think your DSIS is wrong re being sociable . The difference is you will be able to plan sociable activities around your daughters needs and have the option of removing her if she is struggling .

hockityponktas · 21/04/2017 12:16

Your dsis is wrong. She won't learn to be social whilst in a mainstream school as she clearly finds it too stressful. It will probably have the opposite effect.
If you can do it then he sounds ideal, if not could you consider an hfa/aspergers special school? Although in all honesty they are few and far between. Particularly for girls!
With home ed, you and she can set the boundaries for social interactions. Which will turn it into a positive experience which in turn should increase her tolerance for being sociable.

Cagliostro · 21/04/2017 13:34

My (possibly autistic - both partway through assessment process) DCs couldn't socialise in school. Now they have a thriving social life with both casual friends and best friends of all ages. They are always busy. I was worried (especially as I have ASD myself and find social stuff difficult) but it's really amazed me how much better their social life is (and mine too!).

Meekonsandwich · 21/04/2017 13:40

I think its a great Idea.
Unhappy stressed children don't learn.

It's no small task, but I would look into help and tutors to make sure you are covering everything and you know where to go next. I hope someone here can give you advice.

1 on 1 learning is super efficient, you can answer questions and your attention isn't stretched by 30 other children, who might be talking and misbehaving or further ahead of behind. You wouldn't need to sit down and teach for 6 hours a day.
Your idea about useable skills is a good idea too :) good luck!

AlexanderHamilton · 21/04/2017 13:47

What you say about her not responding well to immediate demands is interesting. Is your dd better without routine & rigidity (which is the opposite of what you would expect of an autistic child)

If you give her choices does she respond better?

Google Pathological Demand Avoidance & see if it rings any bells (it's part of the autistic spectrum)

WeiAnMeokEo · 21/04/2017 13:50

Another one clamouring for you to do it!

You sound like ano awesome mum and it wouldn't be just you on your own - you can join up with groups etc and there's tons of online and RL support.

Best of luck to you :)

TatterdemalianAspie · 21/04/2017 14:01

I would take her out like a shot, personally. Smile

Has anyone home educated and still managed to get a diagnosis?

Yup, we did. I took DD out of school aged 8 (beginning of Y4) because she wasn't enjoying it any more. We were home ed until secondary age, and she's been at Interhigh for a few years now. I asked the GP for a referral for assessment with a paediatrician a year or so after she left school. He said 'the school should deal with that', I replied that she didn't go to school so he needed to do it, and he did. We had a very trouble-free assessment process (resulting in a diagnosis of AS), in part, I think, because there was no school involved. For girls, who often mask very effectively at school and slip under the radar because they are labelled as shy/passive/quirky or whatever, I think the school's input can sometimes be a hindrance.

Incidentally, my DD's social skills and social understanding blossomed once I took her out of school. She's doing well academically at Interhigh and has a very solid group of friends. Go with your gut and do what you know your DD needs to be happy. No child should have to spend every day somewhere they hate being.

Hoptastic53 · 21/04/2017 14:18

I agree that school is definitely a hindrance to diagnosis at the moment. Her paediatrician even said she'd have been diagnosed by the Christmas after starting reception if school had agreed with me and nursery, but because they said she was bright but shy and just needed to socialise more then they've asked for more and more reviews.

I've thought about pathological demand avoidance before, Alexander. She absolutely cannot be asked to do anything in the normal way. Her teacher at nursery noted that she'd break down even over something simple like 'get your coat on to go outside.' Even though she wanted to go outside, and would want her coat on because she feels the cold, she then couldn't do it because she'd been asked directly.

If I ask anything of her she'll distract and invent false injuries which means she can't do whatever it is. If her dad asks anything of her she's agressive and violent. At school she just shuts down which is why they presume she's shy.

However, at parents evening her teacher said she's blossoming because she stood up to do show and tell in front of the class and used this as an example of how well she's adapting to school. The difference was, she wasn't asked to do it - she chose to without any suggestion of it being her and she had her collection of things she's obsessed with which she's always happy to talk about. Her teacher seems to just think that she can't be struggling if she isn't finding the work difficult but in all honesty she could've done a lot of the work three years ago so it isn't that she's learning from school right now.

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Corialanusburt · 21/04/2017 14:25

How about homed till secondary? Can you afford private? I've heard of this boarding school for girls with autism:
www.limpsfieldgrange.co.uk/about-us/

Hoptastic53 · 21/04/2017 14:38

She's struggling being away from home a few hours per day Corial, I don't think packing her off to boarding school would help Hmm

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