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AIBU?

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Mum won't give birth certificates

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Spoog1971xx · 14/04/2017 18:34

Ok. So I don't want to turn this into a brexit thread but...
I need to get my Irish passport, My sister ( who lives in Europe, has a mortgage etc) really needs to get her Irish passport. She is going to lose her job unless she either naturalises or gets her Irish passport. She flew over to get the needed documents from my mum - an Irish citizen (my nans birth certificate etc). My mum said she didn't know where they were ( she did) when pressed she refused to hand them over saying they weren't to leave the house. My sister saw the documents but my mum refuses to let her borrow them. Enter my dad who says ' brexit won't happen' um, it already has...
I'm really confused, she basically said we cannot have my grandmothers documents. It's not like she even liked the woman! My parents have always been very controlling but this is beyond weird as they know my sisters only alternative is to marry her BF which she isn't keen on.
Aibu?

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Gwenhwyfar · 14/04/2017 19:03

"Sorry I read that again, are you looking for your mums birth cert?"

Read a third time Canary. She clearly says her nan's birth certificate.

Gwenhwyfar · 14/04/2017 19:04

"Actually it has not.
Article 50 has been invoked but Brexit is not actually real until March 2019"

Or later, or might never happen.
But be prepared anyway.

IloveBanff · 14/04/2017 19:05

The OP said she wants her nan's birth certificate not her own

MaudGonneMad · 14/04/2017 19:06

If it's her only copy of her mother's birth certificate, she might not want to let it away for fear it might not return.

In any case, as others have pointed out, you can easily order certified copies.

Topseyt · 14/04/2017 19:08

At present Brexit actually has NOT happened, so you are not correct there. We have simply given two years notice of intention to leave by invoking Article 50. Until that two years is up, we are still full members of the EU. Who knows what will happen after that.

Anyway, it does still give you almost two years to get the Irish citizenship and passport sorted.

Trifleorbust · 14/04/2017 19:09

Oh I see - sorry, I misinterpreted the OP. Yes, it is fair enough for her not to want to hand over her Mum's birth certificate.

wowfudge · 14/04/2017 19:09

It's not your right to your mum's copies - just order your own.

WaegukSaram · 14/04/2017 19:09

I lost my DD's birth certificate and just ordered a copy. It's just as valid as the original - I used it to get DD citizenship of my country anyway, so it must be legit!

Dumdedumdedum · 14/04/2017 19:09

You can get your ancestors' birth certificates online, as suggested above, as well, as long as you have the correct birth details, I think, OP?

EccentricPickle · 14/04/2017 19:10

I needed my birth certificate for my wedding but my mum didn't have a clue where it was (genuinely. She's not bothered about keeping anything so she's probably binned it during a house move or something, for all I know).

So I had to order a copy. I think it was about £10.

EatsLeavesAndShit · 14/04/2017 19:10

Agree with everybody else, you can just order birth certificates online without anybody knowing.

However there may be another fly in the ointment for you: for Irish citizenship by descent you'll need to provide notarised photo ID of the parent you're claiming descent through (your nan's child). Do you think your mother/father will allow you to take their passport or driving licence to a notary?

Pallisers · 14/04/2017 19:26

Presumably you will need a copy of your mum's birth cert too and your own so you can show Grandmother was born in Ireland/Mother was born to Grandmother/you were born to mother.

I'd order 2 copies of everything now if I were you.

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 14/04/2017 19:28

My husband just got his Irish passport, also claiming citizenship by descent. He simply sent off for his dad's birth certificate, I assume using the link someone posted above.

wherethewildrosesgrow · 14/04/2017 19:35

you can order your own, you may just need to find out your nans details date/place of birth etc , when they say they must be originals, they mean no photocopies, the ones the registrars send you are classed as originals, because they are from the official registrar

PigletJohn · 14/04/2017 19:35

I've been able to get copy BMD certificates going back hundreds of years (not for Ireland).

My own grandmother was always reluctant to find her certificates or to remember the dates. This was seemingly because the date of her wedding, and the date her first child was born, were not quite as might have been expected. This is not at all unusual.

grannytomine · 14/04/2017 19:42

Easy to order online and they come quite quickly. As someone said the official ones are accepted, they just don't want you sending a photocopy.

gamerchick · 14/04/2017 19:50

The certificate is kept at the RO all we ever get from the off is certified copies. Just order some more and your mother doesn't have to part with the ones she's got.

Chippednailvarnishing · 14/04/2017 19:52

I just ordered copies...

HecateAntaia · 14/04/2017 19:57

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MaidOfStars · 14/04/2017 19:58

Your OP reads like your Mum was born in the U.K. to an Irish-born citizen, your Grandmother? Has your Mum ever 'claimed' Irish citizenship? IIRC, you and your sister will need to register on the Foreign Births Register if you are claiming Irish citizenship by descent from grandparents.

Tartyflette · 14/04/2017 20:33

DH is in the process of getting an Irish passport -- he hasn't been asked to provide photo ID of his parents, just birth certs, (they are sadly long dead so it would be tricky, to day the least. And they didn't have passports anyway, because, y'know, Irish citizens didn't need one to travel between the UK and ROI. )
At least that was the case previously -- who knows what will happen now. The Irish border is just one of the very knotty problems to be sorted out in the Brexit negotiations.

kerryob · 14/04/2017 20:35

My dad used copies ordered online for his Irish passport. I will get mine sorted at some point!

EatsLeavesAndShit · 14/04/2017 20:44

If your DH's parents were Irish Tarty then I think he is legally considered Irish already so the requirements for citizenship are less onerous than if it had been his grandparent he is claiming citizenship through.

The instructions on the register of foreign births website says the following is required for claiming citizenship by descent through a grandparent:

birth certs (grandparent, parent, self)
death certs (if applicable for grandparent or parent)
marriage certificates (grandparent, parent)
divorce certificates (if applicable for grandparent, parent)
notarised photo ID (grandparent, parent, self)

Wando1986 · 14/04/2017 20:49

Just go to the registry and request copies. Why didn't she do that in the first place?

BikeRunSki · 14/04/2017 20:53

"No copies" means no photocopies.
Official copies via the registrars office are fine. What if the originals had been lost in a fire, flood or burglary?

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