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To think it's unfair on the sacconejolys children

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brexitstolemyfuture · 14/04/2017 16:46

I don't watch them. But millions do. I don't really think it's very fair on the children to record everything noteworthy (well 99.9% is boring as fuck) everday and post it online.

How do they get away without child working / performance permits?

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Sparklingbrook · 14/04/2017 17:25

I think they will hate it TBH. But whether they do are they don't they have zero choice in the matter, that's the worst bit.

The Beckham children may currently love being 'famous'. Later on in life not so much but it can't be reversed, it's too late.

CaoNiMartacus · 14/04/2017 17:25

Did anyone hear Jonathan on Woman's Hour recently? He came across as an unalloyed twat. I got the impression Jane Garvey regretted having him on the show.

Yukbuck · 14/04/2017 17:28

I do just think this is the next generation of television. Should we just stop kids being in films from now on? Or in soap operas? Or tv programmes? I think this is the next generation of technology (I'm almost mid 20s) and it's just hard to understand if you aren't into it. I don't particularly like soap operas but I don't care if people enjoy them

x246 · 14/04/2017 17:30

Also to those saying I bet the teenagers will hate it (when the kids grow up) I really don't think they will... it's like being a child of a celebrity, they will have so much money and fame that I don't think other teens will bully them!

What about Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne's oldest daughter? Lots of money, lots of fame but she refused to take part in their reality TV show. She was lucky enough to be old enough to say no. These kids are babies. They're not old enough to understand that anybody can see the videos and that there's no taking them back.

Princecharlesfirstwife · 14/04/2017 17:30

That's a ridiculous comparison yukbuk - child actors and their working conditions are very strictly regulated.

vlogmeister · 14/04/2017 17:32

@Yukbuck I know the vlogger you're talking about there. I remember thinking how dysfunctional it seemed at the time.

Yukbuck · 14/04/2017 17:33

Princecharles I understand what you are saying BUT they could equally turn into a teenager who cringes at the TV show scenes and could equally get bullied. In fact I do know of a (now adult) low key actor who gets embarrassed about the stuff they were in as a child.
I have said in my previous post that I'm not saying that I necessarily think it's right. I think there's a fine line. But I do think if you are going to say it about YouTube kids then the same should be said for child actors etc...

Yukbuck · 14/04/2017 17:34

Vlogmeister yes her channel is jesssfam if you wanted to look her up. Previous name was gabe and jess. She seems to have her life in order now. But she really does show a lot of the kids..

x246 · 14/04/2017 17:35

That's a ridiculous comparison yukbuk - child actors and their working conditions are very strictly regulated.

It's also not real! There's a big difference between being a child actor and having your actual life played out day by day on Youtube.

freeDeirdreRachid · 14/04/2017 17:38

Do they have jobs other than youtubing? Does it support them financially? (I've no idea how much money you can make off this type of thing)

Oh wow ... yes if you make it on YouTube then yes you will earn exceptionally well.

Yukbuck · 14/04/2017 17:39

x246 fair enough I see your point. But they don't get a choice either.

TypicallyEnglishMustard · 14/04/2017 17:40

I'm the same age as you, Yukbuk, and watch YouTube far more than I watch television. I also work with teenagers, who all recognise you tubers over traditional celebrities.

But this is very different from kids being in movies and on TV. There are legal documents surrounding those children's participation, and rules to follow about the hours they work and the money they receive. They are protected. The kids of bloggers, however, are largely being exploited by their own parents, as this is such a new form of media which is still poorly regulated (e.g. The ongoing scandals surrounding disclosure of paid advertorials).

And I think it's naive to assume that by the time the kids are grown, the fame and money will still exist for the kids to reap the benefits of. YouTube is a fickle business, and the shelf life of a blogger is extremely unpredictable and quick to expire (Tyler Oakley, for example, one of the biggest vloggers a couple of years ago has now been in negative subscribers for months, as has Louise Pentland). It's likely that their parents will no longer be relevant or using YouTube as their income ten years from now. Also, unless the SJs are investing very wisely, they will not be earning enough to still be wealthy to the point of allowing their children to share in their earnings (which they bloody should, since they are being exploited) in, say, fifteen years, when the kids are at university/house-buying age.

Which, to my mind, will equal a generation of unhappy young people whose early lives were shared in minute detail with the internet, copies of which will permanently exist online, who will likely not receive their fair share of the benefits from their fame-hungry and greedy parents.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 14/04/2017 17:40

Successful YouTubers absolutely rake it in, £££'s per month.

Can't say I'm keen on the SJ's, he really is a tool but Anna seems pleasant enough.

Yukbuck · 14/04/2017 17:44

There's a forum ytmd (YouTube momma drama) that discuss lots of these (not really the sj though more American)
I think they earn a lot more than we realise and I really think the SJs will be investing their money. I really do.
I'm really not a huge fan of them but I think they are wise with saving and will make sure to put money away for the future..

TypicallyEnglishMustard · 14/04/2017 17:46

A rough way to work out what a YouTuber earns per video is to divide the total amount of views by 1000. Every thousand views = around a £ for many. But that can vary widely, based on whether the pre-video adverts are watched in full, or skipped (you earn more the longer a person watches the ad), or if the advert was clicked through and your viewer purchased something.

Also, for a successful blogger, large part of their income will be earned through sponsorships on certain videos. Dan and Phil, for example, can command a minimum of £10,000 per advertorial for a video game sponsorship.

brexitstolemyfuture · 14/04/2017 17:48

Tyler Oakleys channel has been dying for years, people say he's not even making the same as a minute wage full time job these days. All these YouTube people do peak and people move on quickly.

Anna doesn't seem too stupid so maybe she's wise enough to know the money won't be rolling in indefinitely.

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AppleG · 14/04/2017 17:48

Yes the sacconejolys are earning lots - the latest baby was born in the Portland Hospital, kids in private schools, Anna spends loads on designer handbags and clothes, latest kids party was a massive affair, 6 dogs in doggie day care or walkers every day. This is all through YouTube, they weren't rich when I started watching them. I must say they are my guilty pleasure (although I can't stand Jonathan) I don't watch them as much lately, I think they've really changed and there are quite a lot of parenting decisions that make me cringe. Can't help but think they've only had a third to keep the money coming in as they originally said they only wanted two.

TypicallyEnglishMustard · 14/04/2017 17:51

Doesn't mean the money will last, AppleG, especially if they are spending crazily like that. Like I said, the shelf life is usually short, then the earnings drop right off. What then? Hopefully, they use investments and savings for a few more years. But certainly not for life.

MonkeysInShoes · 14/04/2017 17:51

What happened to the SJ house purchase does anyone know?

It's all gone quiet, due to the baby maybe?

NameChanger22 · 14/04/2017 17:51

I've never heard of them before.

I just watched 2 minutes of their YouTube channel, I don't need to watch anymore, that will do.

Maudlinmaud · 14/04/2017 17:54

Have watched one video, once. Those kids are living a real life truman show.

EccentricPickle · 14/04/2017 17:56

TBF, the vlogs that they post are usually 15 mins of a 24 hour day. The kids are just doing what they would usually be doing but with a camera there so it's not like they're actually working.

And they're not that famous. No one I know has heard of the SacconeJolys. Most people I know have heard of the Beckhams or the Osbornes.

I do see your point though, it wouldn't be my choice to make vlogs of my kids. My life is boring AF though, no one would ever want to watch that! 😴

Their children are such cuties though!

TypicallyEnglishMustard · 14/04/2017 17:59

I don't get the argument of the vlogs only being 15 minutes. It's not a single 15 minute shot, it's an edited compilation of several hours worth of footage. Every single day. I would have thought that the kids, and even the adults, would be fed up of cameras being shoved around the moment something interesting happens.

January87 · 14/04/2017 18:04

Thanks all for the baby name!

EccentricPickle · 14/04/2017 18:08

I like watching Louise Pentland (Sprinkle Of Glitter). Her DD is adorable but she doesn't really show her loads.

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