AIBU to think this about working bank hols etc?

[OldandJaded]

Is it unreasonable to expect that if you work in certain industries you expect to work bank holidays (easter, Christmas included) nice days, late nights/early mornings and basically the times when most other people don't work?
I don't think it is, if you work in the hospitality trade then surely it's common sense that when the majority of working folk are off, is going to be your busiest time? Therefore the increase in business needs an increase in staff? I'm astounded by the number of people who come into hospitality that say they didn't expect to have to work Christmas/New year/Easter etc and feel it's unfair.
I've also worked in health care and have heard similar complaints - people don't stop being old/ill/sick because it's a public holiday!
I do agree it sucks that some places don't offer a little extra for working these holidays, but I wouldn't expect it because it's the type of job I'm in and comes with the territory. Most places I've worked give maybe time and a half or a small cash bonus if you work Christmas day, but the other days are business as usual.
Of course the shifts need to be shared out fairly and any religious need respected.
Working shifts, late nights, weekends and holidays does have it's advantages - I get to shop in relative peace, I don't have to travel in the rush hour, if I want to go out for a meal, to a theme park, a pub etc it's usually much quieter because other ppl are at work when I'm not!
Just don't understand those who come into an industry that relies on when other people don't work and therefore want to enjoy themselves and spend money, and then complain about it!
Rant over!

Getinthefuckingsea -
Did you even read it properly?? Really??
I have put "I think" not it is or saying that's how it is end of.
I think this because of statistics revealed re benefit fraud, articles I've read and people I've known personally who've done it.
Am I not allowed to think it because it doesn't agree with your way of thinking??
Really??
I haven't made a statement I'm proclaiming to be true, rather said that's what I think.
Get off your high horse before it dumps you!

My personal view, in short, is that the ppl who have defrauded the system have led to much stricter and harsher rules, affecting others who actually need it.
JUST A PERSONAL VIEW!!

Well if you're talking about statistics, then you'll know that fraud accounts for a tiny proportion of benefit spending and always has done, so these policy decisions are not based on that but rather because tory policies are consistently about removing safety nets in any way they can. This has always been the case.

Also I have to say that you are hardly a shining example of approaching the situation in the way you advocate. You are living without basic amenities. This is not a good argument for saying do as you do.

OP If you are handwashing stuff how are you drying it. You cant squeeze all the water out of jumpers for instance. I know . Ive tried it when DH and i were living in a bedsit 25 years ago and we had an old top loader.

Healthcare worker here. I volunteer to work Easter and bank holidays and new year, in order to get Christmas off. It's the one day of the year I care about. Doesn't hurt that we get time and 88% rates on Sundays and bank holidays too

Well if you're talking about statistics, then you'll know that fraud accounts for a tiny proportion of benefit spending and always has done, so these policy decisions are not based on that but rather because tory policies are consistently about removing safety nets in any way they can. This has always been the case.

Have you evidence that Tory policies are removing safety nets any way they can? Not really interested in the political side but I am interested if you can practice what you demanded from me.

Also I have to say that you are hardly a shining example of approaching the situation in the way you advocate. You are living without basic amenities. This is not a good argument for saying do as you do.

Can you explain how exactly? I am saying that if you take a job that requires weekend and bank hol work, you should expect to work them, which I do because that's what I took on. I may live without 'basic' (to you) amenities but how does that have an impact on me thinking you should honour what you've agreed to do?

Helena - I hang them on hangers/a clothes horse over the bath to drip dry if they can't be hung out.

Is it because I don't feel entitled to have everything handed on a plate to me and take responsibility for myself and do what I need to do and am grateful for what I have, and yes I feel the world would be a better place if other people had a similar philosophy, that maybe I'm being questioned and taken down the route of looking like I'm a benefit basher when in fact there was nothing about that in my original post!

You don't sound grateful. (And indeed you shouldn't be, but gratitude is not the message I'm getting from your posts.)

Incidentally, people on benefits don't get given white goods - or any goods in fact. Your friend may well have got a social fund loan in order to purchase hers, but she'll be paying it back.

Old Why arent you angry at your employer? Im sorry but employers should be paying enough so that ppl can afford to buy a cooker.

GetintheFuckingSea I see your post about white goods but raise you what ive seen on here.................................................that social housing tenants get their TV licences paid for them.

Honestly sometimes you dont know whether to laugh or cry!

And im sorry but my landlord would have something to say about it if i was leaving dripping wet washing drying in the flat especially things like jumpers No way can a jumper dry quick enough to not smell damp. I tried it at our old bedsit It Does Not Work.

No way can a jumper dry quick enough to not smell damp if its been handwashed.

From your OP

"I don't have to travel in the rush hour, if I want to go out for a meal"

Old Why arent you angry at your employer Im sorry but employers should be paying enough so that ppl can afford to buy a cooker

minimum wage means just that. enough to just about live on but that is it.

employers will not pay any more than that because we are in an age of almost full employment - perhaps when BREXIT clicks in it will change.

I have worked in hospitality and now I work in customer services. This means working at times when others do not. I don't particularly like working bank holidays, however I understand that I have to. Most people I know quite like them as they get double pay and a day in lieu.

In 1987 I was paid 54.00 just for turning up on a Saturday, then time and a half, happy days !! And they bought us pizza to eat.

I think it might get worse with Brexit. I have known about few people find it hard to get a job because employers are very nervous about the economy. Even where I work, pay rises are tiny and they are not taking many people on

Used to quite like working on a saturday in the bank

Double time, only worked the morning and if you were staying over lunch to do admin, an incredibly generous lunch allowance

Doesnt happen now as far as i know...just normal money

Blimey Fluffy thats amazing.

Didn't RTFT... my bad... but just wanted to say that my local (national chain) DIY store staff are working tomorrow even though they are not open! 🙄 DH works for supermarket supply chain so we know ALL about working on bank holidays etc... he never takes a bank holiday Monday and if he gets more than 2 days together over Christmas & NY ( and more than 3 in the fortnight) we consider ourselves v lucky, he works Monday to Friday the rest of the year now so no shift allowance and only extra pay if in on Boxing Day (only closed on Christmas Day the whole year).

"You don't sound grateful. (And indeed you shouldn't be, but gratitude is not the message I'm getting from your posts.)

Incidentally, people on benefits don't get given white goods - or any goods in fact. Your friend may well have got a social fund loan in order to purchase hers, but she'll be paying it back."

Getinthefuckingsea -
If it's not coming across then that's possibly a fault in how I term/write or how you are perceiving me? I don't know, people have different perceptions and tone is hard to convey or read IMO. But I assure you I am grateful to have a job, all be it minimum wage with unsociable hours. Why wouldn't I be when as I've learned on this thread, the benefit system for people in need is so appalling? As long as I do what is required of me (turn up and work) then I'm beholden to no one and no ridiculous rules stating what hoops I must jump through to live. Why wouldn't anyone be grateful for that?
As for the white goods, she was granted them - applied for through her housing officer, and not a loan. When I enquired after moving to the property I just have (first time with a ha, decided to go ha as you have more security than private ll after relationship breakdown) there wasn't a cooker or carpets. When enquiring I was told I didn't qualify for any of the grants as I'm not on any qualifying benefits. I could have applied for the loan you mentioned but it was unlikely I'd be granted, so I have decided to save up and buy one myself in a couple of months.

Its not really the norm with HAs to do that though.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2901354-Housing-associations-Are-you-having-problems

"Old Why arent you angry at your employer? Im sorry but employers should be paying enough so that ppl can afford to buy a cooker"

Because it's not my employers fault I don't have a cooker, message above details about the cooker, but ultimately I will have one, and it's not my employers responsibility to make sure I have one, it's mine, and I'm doing just that. I have methods to cook, no it's not as easy as an oven, but I'll also mention that I have a slow cooker and steamer too (had them a while) so I can cook decent food without a cooker.

"And im sorry but my landlord would have something to say about it if i was leaving dripping wet washing drying in the flat especially things like jumpers No way can a jumper dry quick enough to not smell damp. I tried it at our old bedsit It Does Not Work.
No way can a jumper dry quick enough to not smell damp if its been handwashed."

Erm..... Fail to see what that has to do with anything?
But in answer I handwash if the machine breaks, and I have had to a few times in the past when awaiting repair - I seriously don't understand what the problem is with that, other than you seem to be now just picking out bits to throw at me with no real reason other than to goad?

"From your OP

"I don't have to travel in the rush hour, if I want to go out for a meal"

hmm"

Taken out of context for a start. It actually goes -

"I get to shop in relative peace, I don't have to travel in the rush hour, if I want to go out for a meal, to a theme park, a pub etc it's usually much quieter because other ppl are at work when I'm not! "

I don't have to travel in rush hour to get to work (or anywhere). The commar was supposed to break up the sentence, bad grammar on my part. And what's wrong about me going out for a meal? With my dd or DM or dsis? Am I not allowed because I don't have a cooker?! Or perhaps because occasionally when my washer breaks I'll hand wash essentials and dry them over the bath?
The point of the sentence was to show that I have noticed what I consider upsides to unsociable hours.
And I still fail to see how this is relevant to working a bank holiday, and being expected to when you've accepted it as part of your job?

"Its not really the norm with HAs to do that though"

Not really the point- again. I wasn't stating it was the norm, merely what happened.

Keep 'em coming though, this is quite entertaining! Helping me wind down after another unsociable shift, at my minimum wage job that I shouldn't be grateful for

Old and Jaded What you posted in the OP was slightly misleading You talked about going out for a meal (nothing wrong with that . Everyone deserves a treat now and then)though i seem to remember that theme parks are eye wateringly expensive. but it made it look like you have disposable income which made a later post of yours look like a bit of a drip feed.

Coupled with the "Have you evidence that the Gov. is removing the safety net? ...........its made you look a bit goady.

I dont think me noticing inconsistencies in what you are posting and calling you on it is me being goady. Its simply observant.

Incidentally i know about working unsociable hours. I used to work nights from 5pm to 3am in a sex chatline office and that included weekends and bank holidays. That was back in 2001 to 2003 for £6 an hour.

The post wasn't meant to be misleading, and that paragraph was intended to show that I have as already stated, noticed upsides to unsociable hours. The fact of me having or not having disposable income, my circumstances and how I got there have come about after points raised by yourself and other posters.
How is that drip feeding? I've answered points raised (quite rightly so) and asked questions of my own and conceeded when a point raised has made me think a differs way. I don't see that as drip feeding, I'd have never added any of the other posts without input from posters raising points or asking questions. And if I'd not replied, I suspect there would be the cry of 'where's the op?!' Or 'another poster who lights the touch paper and let's them go!'

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Coupled with the "Have you evidence that the Gov. is removing the safety net? ...........its made you look a bit goady. "

Again, out of context, this was in response to a poster demanding I back up my own personal thoughts with facts and figures. I simply turned the tables - if my response was goady then so was the post it answered.

I don't understand the inconsistencies - the paragraph you brought up earlier was clearly to show what I've already explained. The other posts have been in answer to yours and others posts and you yourself have taken it wildy off topic by telling me about drying jumpers???
I agree that other people have different opinions, I've actually tried to get to the bottom of this and explain my viewpoint based on my experiences - and this is where you now accuse me of inconsistencies and drip feeding. If you don't like it aren't you free to hide the thread?

My viewpoint hasn't changed, I still think that if you take a job, where unsociable hours are a part of it, you should expect to do them and expect it not to apply to you. I do however see that there are times where people may have had this added in to a contract later in their job, or due to rules around benefits, had to take a job they know they are unsuitable for as they can't get there/have childcare etc.
But I thought that was what AIBU was about, debate and discussion, and other posters telling you why they think you're U or not. I didn't realise I wasn't supposed to reply!

YY Rufus. So much has changed.

www.itv.com/news/2017-04-15/pay-a-premium-rate-for-short-notice-work-suggests-government/