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AIBU to think this about working bank hols etc?

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OldandJaded · 10/04/2017 11:18

Is it unreasonable to expect that if you work in certain industries you expect to work bank holidays (easter, Christmas included) nice days, late nights/early mornings and basically the times when most other people don't work?
I don't think it is, if you work in the hospitality trade then surely it's common sense that when the majority of working folk are off, is going to be your busiest time? Therefore the increase in business needs an increase in staff? I'm astounded by the number of people who come into hospitality that say they didn't expect to have to work Christmas/New year/Easter etc and feel it's unfair.
I've also worked in health care and have heard similar complaints - people don't stop being old/ill/sick because it's a public holiday!
I do agree it sucks that some places don't offer a little extra for working these holidays, but I wouldn't expect it because it's the type of job I'm in and comes with the territory. Most places I've worked give maybe time and a half or a small cash bonus if you work Christmas day, but the other days are business as usual.
Of course the shifts need to be shared out fairly and any religious need respected.
Working shifts, late nights, weekends and holidays does have it's advantages - I get to shop in relative peace, I don't have to travel in the rush hour, if I want to go out for a meal, to a theme park, a pub etc it's usually much quieter because other ppl are at work when I'm not!
Just don't understand those who come into an industry that relies on when other people don't work and therefore want to enjoy themselves and spend money, and then complain about it!
Rant over!

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SquinkiesRule · 10/04/2017 15:20

I'm in healthcare (private) and get double time for bank holidays. I also get a little extra per hour for weekends.

Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 16:17

Draylon The shop staff may be coerced but the customers aren't. They are voting with their feet for shops being open long hours and Sunday and Bank Holiday.

And it's not obvious what work is "needed", is it? Broadcasting? We could manage with one radio channel playing recorded music and news alerts; that would involve far fewer people than at present.

Restaurants could be made to close; a lot of families would not be able to get together, none of them having a home big enough, but there would be fewer people working.

We don't need to make long journeys; if the petrol stations were closed we might have to limit how far we travelled but we would cope.

We could get by with no newspapers the morning afer the Bank Holiday, couldn't we?

Where do you stop?

Draylon · 10/04/2017 16:46

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Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 17:00

Right Draylon - so would you like to apply that to my questions?

Restrict broadcasting?
Close the restaurants?
Close the petrol stations?
Forbid newspapers the next morning?

Yes or No in each case?

Draylon · 10/04/2017 17:23

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Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 17:34

Well, if you don't want people to have to work on the next day's papers you'll have to forbid them to publish?

Your answers really aren't an answer. What is "proper and fair"? It's no good imagining anyone is ever again going to prescribe who gets overtime and at what rate.

HelenaDove · 10/04/2017 17:49

I reckon the newspapers have got far more to worry about than possibly not publishing on a bank holiday.

They are probably worrying about not publishing at all eventually as print medias days are likely numbered now due to the internet.

Sallystyle · 10/04/2017 17:51

I'm an HCA, and frankly, the NHS would collapse if they took away enhanced rates of pay for unsocial hours

Me too. I am working Easter Monday and will get a nice bonus for that. I once worked in a care home doing nights and got paid nothing extra. Fuck that.

I might do my nurse training but if the scrapped enhanced pay I would seriously reconsider not bothering at all.

EnglishGirlApproximately · 10/04/2017 18:04

The major issue is that other services aren't set up to support these things. Childcare isn't available to cover those shifts, public transport grinds to a halt on Sunday's bank holidays around here. So many people who say it's just a normal day clearly haven't tried to organise these things.

I had to give up a well paid management job last year after the third year in a row of struggling with good Friday childcare. Luckily I wasn't expected to work Boxing Day but dp does every year and we'd have been stuffed if I'd had too as well. It's really not as easy as people like to think.

Zaphodsotherhead · 10/04/2017 18:07

I work retail (very rural, not much employment available). We work shifts, can be rota'd on any time from 6.30 am to 10.30pm, no extra money for unsociable hours, weekend working, bank holiday working.

It suits me because I'm single, nobody to miss me. But those with families - how they hell do they manage working such stupid hours? But then, people have to be able to get their beer and cigarettes whenever they need them, don't they?

HelenaDove · 10/04/2017 18:09

Exactly EnglishGirl. So there are people like Row (above) who are on minimum wage having to pay double time taxi fares to get to work and back again , the fare likely to wipe out most or all of their wage.

Clearly the 24 hour society memo hasnt reached everyone!

HelenaDove · 10/04/2017 18:11

Ive lived on the same housing estate for 23 years. We have never had a Sunday or bank hol bus service in all the time ive been here.

EnglishGirlApproximately · 10/04/2017 18:15

helena our income has dropped hugely since having Ds. We were both senior managers for blue chips but as soon as Ds came along it was literally impossible, even when I dropped down to part time. We did once find someone for a good Friday it by the time we'd paid or regular cm as per the contract and the cover one double time the day cost £160! How could anyone on minimum wage manage that?

EnglishGirlApproximately · 10/04/2017 18:16

Same, we'd need to walk 40 minutes to the nearest town to get a bus which would then arrive at dps work at 10.40 - they open at 10

HelenaDove · 10/04/2017 18:20

Its ridiculous English. My local Tesco is open til 9pm on Good Friday.

EnglishGirlApproximately · 10/04/2017 18:23

I just don't think it's possible to have a 24/7 shopping and leisure culture without having the other services to back them up

HelenaDove · 10/04/2017 18:27

YY English £160 for one days childcare That is eye watering.

SallyGinnamon · 10/04/2017 18:32

I used to work for a bank. They decided that the city centre branches would be open on bank holidays!

ForalltheSaints · 10/04/2017 18:37

YANBU in general, as it will also I hope be spelt out when you are interviewed.

I do think that for retail in particular, we are open too much. I signed the petition about Boxing Day opening, and would like to see Sunday opening for large stores restricted to start at midday. As with one of the earlier respondents to this thread, I have been abroad on a Sunday and the change and peace/quiet is welcome. Dordrecht in the Netherlands is a particularly happy experience for example.

Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 18:39

My Tesco opened as usual at 2.00 a.m. today, Monday, and will close at 23.59 on Saturday. Because of Easter it will then close until 2.00 on Easter Monday; on other Sundays it opens 12.00 to 18.00.

And it is always busy.

Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 18:42

So Saints it is already doing as you wish on Sunday. Not opening till noon.

As for BD, good luck with that. The crowds who thronged the shops on 26 December last were effectively signing a counter-petition and there were more of them than there were of you!

flowery · 10/04/2017 18:48

"If you don't want to work on Sunday for religious reasons you must choose your career accordingly, not expect those of other religions or none to cover for you."

Sunday working opt out rules for retail

Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 18:48

More widely: the present law dates from 1994 and needs to be updated to allow bricks-and-mortar to compete on a level playing field with online. And nobody is going to make the online retailers (especially those out of the UK!) close their servers at any damned hour, are they?

HelenaDove · 10/04/2017 19:02

Andrew they still need to pay enough so that the workers arent just working to pay for their taxi fare to and from work on these days..............because that is ludicrous and unfair.

And if working class ppl arent earning enough they wont be able to afford to spend money in other high street stores which will in turn go bust. Peacocks came pretty close to it several years ago.

Capitalism eating itself!

Andrewofgg · 10/04/2017 19:13

flowery That's retail which is not the whole economy. In other sectors you must take your share as Ms Mba found when she tried to refuse to, and was good enough to suggest which of her colleagues should take more Sundays so that she did not have to. Very religious of her.

And even in retail: if you take a job which includes Sundays you can opt out later. But then one fine day you will have a problem with a shift on another day and want to swap, and the people who are picking up the slack for you on Sundays may just say no. And management cannot make them.

HelenaDove The fact is that provided they pay MW the retailers don't need to pay more than is necessary to staff the business.