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We're not going to do anything about this failing thread. We're just going to watch it explode...Trump cont

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egosumquisum1 · 26/03/2017 21:06

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2885618-There-is-no-evidence-that-this-so-called-thread-was-tapped-Trump-continued

As requested.

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cozietoesie · 01/04/2017 01:55

For your interest.

Filings

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 01:59

USA TODAY‏Verified account @USATODAY 6m6 minutes ago
#BREAKING Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are keeping real estate empire usat.ly/2nEclv8

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 02:03

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 12m12 minutes ago
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#BREAKING: Ethics filings reveal Ivanka will keep stake in Trump's DC hotel: report hill.cm/FK1MH5Z

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 02:04

Rebecca Berg‏Verified account @rebeccagberg 16m16 minutes ago
Trump administration stops disclosing troop deployments in Iraq and Syria www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-deployment-20170330-story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 01/04/2017 07:00

patribotics.blog/2017/04/01/alfa-bank-trump-tower-and-a-social-media-impeachment/

This is lousie mensch putting forward the route she thinks trump will impeached by.

Lweji · 01/04/2017 07:25

I've just misread the thread title as "family" instead of "failing", and it's a great title for the next (soon coming thread):

"It's a family affair"

Roussette · 01/04/2017 07:43

Watched the clips. Wilbur Ross looks extremely uncomfortable Grin

This clip shows the reporter and Trump walking out. To be fair he was going anyway! Reporter was persistent, good on him, I want this to follow him everywhere he goes.

Dumdedumdedum · 01/04/2017 07:45

Humongously, bigly, yugely great new thread title, Lweji. Though I would prefix it with "Trumptown", perhaps? Grin

egosumquisum1 · 01/04/2017 07:52

Still got 100 to go.Lots of great potential for thread titles.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 01/04/2017 07:56

Surely there has to be an immunity deal somewhere in the next thread title?

Lweji · 01/04/2017 08:22

Not saying it has to start now. But, otherwise I'd forget to suggest it and I'll be busy today.

Immunity is also a greatly topic.

The BBC does show he didn't sign that order.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39461869

MrsT2007 · 01/04/2017 08:41

The Jester dropping lots of hints that tomorrow (is that today here?!) is "EOF" or end of file.....

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/04/2017 09:10

The micro looks on Pence's and the other faces are very amusing when Trump walked out.

CaveMum · 01/04/2017 09:37

Yesterday's briefing: www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/daily-press-briefing-press-secretary-sean-spicer-33

Spicer sounds suddenly very informed on the Nunes issue - is he finally in the loop or overcompensating and trying to baffle everyone with words?

MsHooliesCardigan · 01/04/2017 09:39

Excuse my dimness but who is The Jester?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 01/04/2017 09:40

I think someone said upthread that the Jester is a well-informed hacker, MissHoulie.

lionheart · 01/04/2017 09:43

This thread is interesting:

Seth Abramson‏Verified account
@SethAbramson

(MEGA-THREAD) RETWEET if you or anyone you know wants to understand the legal implications of Mike Flynn seeking immunity from prosecution.

(1) What follows is analysis of a news story, not legal advice or the practice of law. If you need an attorney, seek one in your local area.

(2) Certain legal concepts discussed in this thread have been slightly simplified for the purposes of explaining their contours via Twitter.

(3) There are 3 major types of immunity: use immunity, derivative use immunity, and transactional immunity. The first is worst, last best.

(4) Transactional immunity means you can't be prosecuted for any crime involved in a discrete course of conduct. Defendants love/want this.

(5) Use immunity says testimony in a criminal case can't be used to charge you with a crime or as evidence against you. Prosecutors love it.

(6) Derivative use immunity means your testimony can't be used against you, nor can any evidence discovered as a result of that testimony.

(7) Defense attorneys always ask for transactional immunity. Prosecutors always say no--unless it convicts a major figure, like a president.

(8) As to Flynn, it seems the FBI already has the goods on him for making false statements. So use immunity doesn't help him on that charge.

(9) Flynn could seek use immunity on a crime no one knows about yet. But with so many investigating, he knows they'd get him by other means.

(10) And of course it doesn't make sense to seek use immunity for a crime you committed that you know no one will ever find out about.

(11) Meanwhile, Flynn and his attorney would have known that it's too early to get transactional immunity. There's more investigating to do.

(12) All of which makes Flynn's immunity offer bizarre. (a) They're never made publicly; (b) there are 3 entities investigating him, so...

(13) he'd need immunity from all 3 to make it useful; (c) it's too early to ask for transactional immunity unless he can deliver POTUS; (d)

(14) he wouldn't ask for use immunity on a charge he's now dead to rights on; (e) he wouldn't ask for any immunity for a crime he knows...

(15) no one will ever discover; (f) his attorney has no info on what the feds have, so how can he determine how much danger his client's in?

(16) And (g) before immunity is given you make a proffera broad statement of what evidence you havebut it seems we don't have one here.

(17) For those who think this is mere theater, think again: attorneys can't make misrepresentations to the feds. So this is a "real" offer.
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(18) All of which means: (i) Flynn is seeking use immunity on a bigger offense than the one the feds already have him dead to rights on...

(19) which already carries 5 years in federal prison; (ii) Flynn's either delivering a bigger fish (POTUS), a huge number of smaller ones,

(20) or a slightly smaller one (say Manafort or Kushner) who committed a much more serious crime than anything Flynn did; (iii) Flynn...

(21) thinks he's about to be in an "immunity race," in that he must beat out many other co-defendants in seeking immunity from the feds;...

(22) (iv) Flynn may have committed a crime worse than "false statements" that would be difficult to prove other than with his testimony...

(23) which is true for crimes largely based on words (e.g. threats, promises, oral agreements) with largely unavailable (foreign) witnesses.

(24) Flynn making an immunity request this early lets investigators know that if they hit a wall, he likely has something that would help.

(25) And not to be morbid, but you'd tend to make a very public request for immunity if you thought you might be killed by a co-defendant.

(26) Flynn so publicly implying he has the goods on Russiagate greatly increases the risk of discovery for anyone trying to silence him.

(27) Let's be clear: Flynn's immunity request very strongly suggests there was a criminal conspiracy at the highest levels of government.

(28) Let's be clear on this, too: Flynn's request all but confirms Russiagate as the most serious political scandal of any of our lifetimes.

(29) Flynn may yet get his immunity. He will if prosecutors hit a wall--if they reach a point where only Flynn can give them what they need.

(30) Flynn's offer is also an implicitif inadvertentencouragement for other defendants to flip with better terms (or targets) than him.

(31) The National Security Adviser to the President of the United States indicating he has criminal culpability means America is changed.

(BONUS) No one in this scandal is getting pardoned--ever. The general theme (treason) is so hot that no politician will risk a pardon.

(BIO) I was a criminal attorney for 7 years in 2 states, representing thousands of clients in that time in cases up to first-degree murder.

originalbiglymavis · 01/04/2017 09:43

From balamory?

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 10:56

In Spite of Trump‏ @InSpiteOfTrump 2h2 hours ago
George Takei Just Announced Hes Running For Congress ln.is/occupydemocrats.com/2YJX9

egosumquisum1 · 01/04/2017 10:56

Saturday morning tweets are going to be good.

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GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 10:58

I hope the one about George Takei is not an April Fools Joke. He'd be amazing!!!

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 11:09

Guardian news‏Verified account @guardiannews 3m3 minutes ago
Arrested while applying for a green card: US immigration experts fear policy shift dlvr.it/NmwGrc

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 11:18

Diva‏ @sammypolsen12 4m4 minutes ago
I liked a @YouTube video Rachel Maddow Explains How Mike Pence Is Going To Go Down With Trump

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 11:19

If Pence goes down with Trump, it's President Ryan. Dear god, let them take Ryan down with them too. PLEASE!!!!!

GingerIvy · 01/04/2017 11:37

New York Times World‏Verified account @nytimesworld 1m1 minute ago
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From: Rex Tillerson To: NATO allies. Pay up. nyti.ms/2ollHPy