If you are Muslim.

[Masher]

Hopefully this doesn't come across as insensitive. It is to do with the photograph of the lady in the brown headscarf walking across Westminster Bridge after the attack. I thought she looked terrified, distraught, and very, very shaken. The photographer has just confirmed this.

One thing that crossed my mind I think, is that if I was muslim and caught up in such an act I would really fear for my safety. I would be scared the people there may turn against me, I would be scared that I would be accused of being involved, and I would be scared the security services may do both of these things too.

It got me thinking about how I would feel in everyday life in Britain. I just wondered whether you all feel safe here, or if it changes through various regions and depends on where you are?

If you don't feel safe, or there are times when you don't feel safe, what can I do that would make it better? I live in London if that helps.

Yellow6 if you are going to try to keep stirring this thread at least try to keep your own posting facts straight.. or are you going to keep swapping between hijab and niqwab as you see fit? You're coming across as very ignorant and manic.

Not at all hanna, like I said I didnt doubt your story until you made that nasty generalisation, it just makes you sound less credible.

Yellow You use the word hijab to describe a head cover. The Quran mentions women wearing headcovers. I have never seen the word hijab used in an English translation of the Quran and the translations you quoted also did not use the word hijab. The word hijab is not used to describe headcovers in the original Quranic Arabic. The use of the word hijab as a name for a headcover is more modern. I fail to see your point or why you are calling me a liar, you are coming across as being incapable of reading things properly or understanding fairly simple facts and your posts are confusing, angry and badly written.

I think I'm probably done with mumsnet now.

@hidingtonothing thank you very much for doing that. Small actions coming from warm hearts make a bigger, better world.

you use the word hijab to describe a head cover. The Quran mentions women wearing headcovers. I have never seen the word hijab used in an English translation of the Quran and the translations you quoted also did not use the word hijab. i think thats the point shes making she said it dosnt mention hijab in the quran and then you and others said they were wrong now your agreeing and saying there right and hijab isnt in the quran (and their right about it not commanding women to wear a anything to cover their face or hair)

and ive read the whole thread yellow never once used the word niqwad

@hannashanoi 'whoreish' is a wrong word, many muslims women may see what you call Western clothing inappropriate/too liberating, just as many Western women find the muslim headcover inappropriate/stifling.

Anyway, if your daughter had to hear such words that is indeed wrong. We can differ in opinions but must respect eachother and everyone as well. Peace.

It's good to see that both the lady in the photo herself and the photographer have put the real story over. Hopefully this will be an end to the matter.
Leaving aside the whole 'debate' over hijab, , it's kind of scary how something like this can spread so quickly over social media. This could happen to any of us - be in the wrong place at the wrong time, be photographed against our knowledge or control and be vilified as a result.

IMO enormous tiger's post re Jews etc is vile - thankfully most on this thread agree :)

I'm not a muslim, but work in the NHS and there is an array of different nationalties. Believe it or not, the varied nationalities I have met and work with hate what terrorism is doing - trying to create a war with 'them' and us - The scum who did this wasn't representative of islam. The people I know who are muslim save lives, day upon day.

Doesn't quite make a 'headliner' though xx

My apologies yellow6.. biased.. Niqab.

yes i mistakenly once used the word niqab dosnt make my orginal statement about the word hijab not being in the quran false and certainly the verses that were used as evidence that the quran says women must cover there face hair or wear a head scarf simply do not mean that and the last 3 dont mention headscarf anywear and then iget called manic when fundermentally i was right. but ill get told to leave it and its my belief when actally its not its a true or false statement it cant be a beliefsomethings either in the quran or its not it either says women should cover there face or hair or it dosnt and it quite simply does not no matter how much you try and change the clear meaning of the text

Muslims women don't give a hoot what western women wear . The Quran and prophet command Muslim women, not all women , to dress in a certain way as part of their Muslim identity . Do keep posting though hanna, as you are exposing yourself as a hate filled fantasist every time you do.

Satishouse you see tissue and I see nose flute . The point I was rather hopelessly trying to make when my laptop decided to upgrade doodah's ,was that my first thought when looking at that photograph was for the poor women on the ground , then I noticed nose flute person , man leaning on bridge and then women walking past . The other thing I notice is there are no police or ambulance staff there , so this is very soon after the incident occured .

One other thing , the woman walking past is Muslim , she is wearing a headcovering , how do we know that the woman kneeling isn't a Muslim ? Or that the injured woman isn't ? Posting a photograph of a snapshot of a moment in time does not answer these questions , to decide that the woman walking past is somehow 'bad' for the mere act of walking is as nonsensical as me suggesting that the parka person has taken this as an opportunity to share their hidden talent on a nose flute.

Yes, good point Frumpet. I see a group of people helping that wounded person. The fact that the woman walked on by without helping should not be the focus here. We should be praising those that stopped, put their own safety and feelings of trauma to one side and helped. Good on them

But she didn't "walk on by without helping". You're STILL twisting things. Read her statement.

Perhaps she should have shoved one of the assisting people to one side, mindful of a good photo opportunity.

But it doesn't matter what she did or didn't do, does it? We are only discussing her because she is a Muslim. She is not the important part of this picture. The people helping should be our focus

The poor woman had her image splattered across global media and her character assassinated exactly because she's Muslim, if course that's worthy of discussion.

I try never to be vile" actually. I said we welcomed lots of jews into the UK and they deliberately often changed their names to English ones and did not wear clothing to show they were jews and that that worked rather well. Those are facts,not vile comments. I want the UK to be a country where Jews and Muslims can live here in peace. I am a Remainer. I am not anti immigration. So although people may not like those facts I don't agree they are vile.

Yes it's worthy of discussing BECAUSE we are only discussing her due to her religion. I am saying the fact she is Muslim should not have caused her to be singled out by the press/social media

I feel very sorry for the woman. That photo is just one second in time and it is impossible just from seeing the photo to tell what she did before or after that second in time.

We all judge by appearances, especially in that split second. But then afterwards when we look at the situation rationally we realise all was not as it seemed at the time. I've been guilty of initially judging a hoody wearing guy with tattoos on his neck when he came to my aid when my car had broken down, who turned out to be so helpful and sweet. I have to admit when I first saw the picture at Westminster I was upset at the way it appeared, but not because she was a Muslim, but because at first glance it did appear to someone behaving thoughtlessly; just as I was equally shocked at the picture of the white guy taking selfies, and at the picture of the people just stood watching as the person who had fallen off the bridge was lying, alone, on the ground. Maybe we should all stop being judgemental of others, regardless of their social or ethnic backgrounds.

Enormous those comments are vile .
Plenty of Jewish people round where I live wear religious attire that clearly sets them apart, and have traditional names. Would you rather they stopped?

And what do you suggest, enormous , for people who can't change things like skin colour or physical features that show they aren't white or English?

There was a picture circulating around the time of 9/11.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/02/911-photo-thomas-hoepker-meaning

It shows some young people 'relaxing' whilst the towers burned. But you can't photograph a feeling. A picture can be used to show what you want it to show - and sod the impact on the people involved.

I try never to be vile" actually. I said we welcomed lots of jews into the UK and they deliberately often changed their names to English ones and did not wear clothing to show they were jews and that that worked rather well.

Ffs. Did you ever think, that maybe these Jews were still living the aftermath of WW2?! I am utterly gobsmacked that you've been pedalling this shit since the start of the thread. Who did it work out quite well for? The people who didn't have to acknowledge that these people were Jews? Because I can't imagine any person being happy about ignoring their roots and where they came from. You're despicable.

I'd expect it worked out quite well for the racists and bigots , of which there are plenty