If you are Muslim.

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Hopefully this doesn't come across as insensitive. It is to do with the photograph of the lady in the brown headscarf walking across Westminster Bridge after the attack. I thought she looked terrified, distraught, and very, very shaken. The photographer has just confirmed this.

One thing that crossed my mind I think, is that if I was muslim and caught up in such an act I would really fear for my safety. I would be scared the people there may turn against me, I would be scared that I would be accused of being involved, and I would be scared the security services may do both of these things too.

It got me thinking about how I would feel in everyday life in Britain. I just wondered whether you all feel safe here, or if it changes through various regions and depends on where you are?

If you don't feel safe, or there are times when you don't feel safe, what can I do that would make it better? I live in London if that helps.

Muslim women should be able to wear what they like, saying that they should also accept that western women can wear what they like. My dd was called a whore by a muslim woman in a burka in a hotel she was staying at, i can only presume because she didn't like the clothes my dd was wearing.

I agree that everyone should wear what they like, Muslim or non Muslim, and I would never comment unless directly asked my opinion (which I was). The way your daughter was spoken to is vile hanna.

How on earth did you hear someone muttering a whispery word like 'whore' from beneath a burka, Hanna? Sorry I just don't believe it and I think you've mentioned that here to stir up hatred. Again, what you think you've heard one woman say ( if she did say) is representative of all Muslims .
Most burka clad women are wary about being even slightly confrontational ( let alone abusive ) in case of retaliation .

Is anyone else wondering why the person in the fur trimmed parka appears to be playing a nose flute ?

My dd was called a whore by a muslim woman in a burka

😂😂 seriously?

I'm a Muslim in Northwest living in a nice suburban area and wear a head scarf by my own choice. I have thankfully never recieved any verbal abuse, but do get occasional long stares and rudeness for all the extra trouble I go to smile widely and say hello loudly. Whenever I see a non-muslim stranger make efforts to make small talk with me while stuck in a long queue or making remarks about the wrather while running for shelter in car parks, these small everyday gestures make my heart soar, restore my faith in good people. It may be that those who are rude are genuinely rude people or having a bad day, and those who treat me like anybody else do it because that's how they are, but to me it makes a big difference. I guess what I'm saying is, for those who see the bigger picture, who think of people as individuals responsible for their own actions, please keep on smiling and chatting to us who may be outwardly different but within us we carry the same hopes and dreams. Please keep telling me "Atleast it's not raining, eh" or "ooh that looks pretty"... And if you see someone in need of help, be nonconfrontational with the abuser, but show presence of support either physically or by making small talk with the victim. Your small gestures go a long way.

Frumpet, that is a tissue, no? She is upset

Hanna, I once got called a frigid slag once by someone in a suit. Probably not connected to the suit actually. Probably they were just a twat.

hanna I was called a bimbo by a woman in a dress once - she obviously didn't like my blonde hair & big boobs.

This is the same lady in a different photo. She is clearly distraught. I hate that people are being so nasty about her.

'yellow you are reading English translations, that contain the word headcover. The word hijab nowadays is used to describe a headscarf but it's not actually what hijab really means. Its not in the translations you are reading because its not an English word and isnt used in the original Arabic anyway. The actual word used in the Quran is khimar, '
somehow missed this apologies. why did you say i was wrong when i specfically said the hijab was not inthe quran now and yes the word is khimar which is in the quran meaning intoxicants and in 24;31 and the subject is the chest or bossum and the khimar meaning cover is the tool additionally nowhere does the verse mention hair or face and for context in the quran 5;$ it says ' They ask you, [O Muhammad], what has been made lawful for them. Say, "Lawful for you are [all] good foods and [game caught by] what you have trained of hunting animals which you train as Allah has taught you. So eat of what they catch for you, and mention the name of Allah upon it, and fear Allah ." Indeed, Allah is swift in account.' by your logic its commanding everyone o have birds of prey obviously not they are the tool allah is commanding that it is okay to eat what they gather simulary in 23;31 allah is commanding that the breast/bossum needs to be covered but is using the khimar as a tool again Allah is all knowing he could of worded a commandment for covering a womens hair clearly if he wanted to he didnt.

Kaytee and Hanna, a toddler in a bob the builder hat called me a banana the other day as well.

muhajaba I assure you the pipes in my neck look very bizzare too. That's why I was looking for a scarf that covers head, and neck. I am looking at Muslim women, managing to have perfectly coordinated outfits, looking feminine, without showing hair and being perfectly confident. It was sort of inspiring me. But I just wondered if it as a strange thing to do.

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OhNotSoSaint - what a great post. Maybe we could all do a lot more to try and be nice to each other.

I feel sorry for the lady in the photo because of all the negative attention she has received. I have always thought it was rude to stare at someone who was receiving medical attention from paramedics if there was nothing useful you could do and perhaps she felt the same.

That poor, poor lady in the photo. She looks traumatised .

Don't know if this has been posted, but the young Muslim woman has responded to the photo and the abuse she has consequently suffered. Please read.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/24/woman-hijab-westminster-bridge-attack-victim-photo-misappropriated

Great post OhNotSoSaint, I felt quite upset last night after exactly the kind of exchange you're talking about. Had to go to A&E as I was unwell and there was a Muslim family in the waiting area. I don't know if some idiot had said something unpleasant to them but I saw the look of relief on the lady's face when I sat down and said hello. We didn't do more than exchange pleasantries and keep each other company while we waited but I hope they went home feeling that there are still nice people in the world, I know I did but that look of relief on her face has stayed with me and is still bothering me today.

Headofthehive55 I didnt realise that you would like to cover your neck too. I personally think a turban style scarf worn with another scarf wrapped around the neck looks lovely, especially with big earrings. As you will have read on this thread it seems like most Muslim women wouldn't have a problem with a non Muslim appearing Muslim. There are a minority of people who like to chuck around accusations of cultural appropriation these days like it's a new fashion, although I think they mostly live on the internet. I hope you find a style you feel confident in and I'm sorry if any of my comments have seemed callous, they weren't meant that way at all.

Headofthehive you should get a one piece hijab which you pull over your head and would cover your neck as well as hair you could bling it up or get a printed one or plain depending on what your style is.

Headofthehive55 Some Jewish women often wear head coverings too - you may want to have a look at some youtubes on how they tie them (I was trying to learn the other day).

Im sorry to read about your illness. Sending you lots of strength xx

sherazade read the post properly before you make ridiculous comments. I didn't say it was said to me, it was said to my daughter. She had absolutely no reason to lie, of course she heard it, are you saying that women wearing burkas can't be heard now, and fuck off with your "stirring up hatred" comment. I think the man who caused carnage at Westminster did that don't you. Yes people from all walks of life can make insulting comments but it's the first time my daughter has been called that.

As a matter of fact the way western women dress is seen as "whoreish" by many muslim women, so it didn't surprise me. Ffs get real.

As a matter of fact the way western women dress is seen as "whoreish" by many muslim women, so it didn't surprise me
That's a pretty extreme generalisation to make, and it makes your story seem much less likely to be true. Btw you probably mean that she was wearing niqab, not a burqa.

Why the hell is it so unlikely, very naive to think so, but also extremely insulting to say i'm lying. What you're actually saying then is, it is unimaginable for a muslim to insult a westerner, so much so that it can't even be believed. What absolute total BS.

muhajaba on page 6 i said 'nowhere in the quran does it mention the hijab yet lots of women wear it' you replied saying 'that's a very ignorant and incorrect statement.' yet later on in the thread you say 'The word hijab nowadays is used to describe a headscarf but it's not actually what hijab really means. Its not in the translations you are reading because its not an English word and isnt used in the original Arabic anyway.' your the only liar on this thread.