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There is no evidence that this so called thread was "tapped". Trump continued

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egosumquisum1 · 23/03/2017 19:33

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2881753-I-didnt-write-this-thread-title-Im-just-quoting-a-really-intelligent-and-talented-poster-on-the-last-Trump-thread?pg=40

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7Days · 26/03/2017 02:13

Thats the first two horsemen

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/03/2017 02:18

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.

Yashar‏ @yashar
Judge Jeanine's first words on her show tonight: "Paul Ryan needs to step down"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/03/2017 02:22

Jim Acosta‏ @Acosta
Boris Epshteyn, a special assistant to president leading White House surrogate operations, is expected to leave WH, I'm told.

Jim Acosta‏ @Acosta
Senior administration on Epshteyn expected departure fro WH: "We are exploring opportunities within the administration."

Anyone know anything about Epshteyn?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/03/2017 02:27

Amy Siskind‏ @Amy_Siskind
Experts in authoritarianism advise to keep a list of things subtly changing around you, so you'll remember.
Week 19: m.facebook.com/amy.siskind/posts/10212172854221705

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/03/2017 02:35

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_587ed24fe4b0b110fe11dbf9

cozietoesie · 26/03/2017 02:57

Thank you, Pain.

PausingFlatly · 26/03/2017 08:16

[Here's Amy in full]

Amy Siskind
12 hrs ·
Experts in authoritarianism advise to keep a list of things subtly changing around you, so you’ll remember. Here's week 19:
Of all the weeks so far, this was the most exhausting. In normal times, any one item below would be a top story for days or weeks — the flow of not normal is so heavy right now, it’s a challenge to keep track. Newsman Dan Rather best summarized the feel of Week 19: “I have seen a lot in my lifetime. But I have never seen anything like this. No one has. The cauldron of chaos and confusion which engulfs President Trump in his early days in office is simply unprecedented.”

  1. Three weeks have passed since Trump’s tweet that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. He has yet to offer any evidence, or apologize.
  2. As Week 19 opened, Trump’s Gallup daily approval rating hit a new low: 37% approve, 58% disapprove.
  3. After Trump’s embarrassing meeting with Merkel last week, Germany’s defense minister refuted a claim by Trump that Germany owes NATO “vast sums of money,” by saying “there is no debt account in NATO.”
  4. New York AG Schneiderman hired fired US Attorney Bharara assistant to focus on issues specifically related to the Trump regime.
  5. An op-ed penned by two former chief WH ethics lawyers titled, “Trump’s unprecedented war on ethics,” detailed the a long laundry list of ethics breaches already committed by Trump and his regime.
  6. Continuing the Deep State theme, the Trump regime installed insiders in executive branch agencies to spy on fellow employees. At the same time, leadership roles remain largely unfilled (61 of 553 have a nominee).
  7. POLITICO reported that Federal career staffers are living in fear of being targeted and singled out by Breitbart conservative media outlets, for not being loyal to Trump.
  8. At the first day of the House Intel Committee’s hearing into Russia, Comey said the FBI is conducting a counterintelligence investigation of both Russian interference in our election, and whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.
  9. Comey also said there is “no information” to back Trump’s wiretapping claim.
10. During the hearing, Trump live-tweeted from the @POTUS account. His tweets contained false and misleading information. 11. When asked by Rep Himes during the hearing, Comey refuted and corrected information in Trump’s tweets. AP fact checked Trump’s tweets vs. what was actually said in testimony. 12. McClatchy reported that the FBI is also investigating the role of conservative media outlets like Breitbart and InfoWars in the Russian hacking of our election. 13. Ivanka got a West Wing office and was granted security clearance, but did not get a formal government role or title. 14. Government watchdogs called on Trump to give Ivanka an official title to avoid conflicts of interest between her government roles and financial interests. 15. Eric Trump filed to bring in foreign workers to work at his Trump Winery. A lawyer working for him said, “It’s difficult to find people.” 16. Modern Appealing Clothing filed a class action suit against Ivanka’s brand over “unfair competition,” citing Trump and Conway’s publicity. 17. As Trump’s bad week continued, the WSJ reported Kushner’s sale of 666 Fifth Avenue to a Chinese buyer for a $400mm profit, was teetering. 18. Trump hotel in DC will host an event on American-Turkey relations, sponsored by an organization whose chair is a Turkish businessman with ties to the Turkish government. Four Seasons had previously hosted. 19. James Woolsey said while on the Trump transition team, he attended a September meeting in which Flynn discussed how to get Fethullah Gulen to Turkey without going through the US extradition legal process. 20. The Trump Organization is pursuing a hotel deal in Dallas with a man known as “Turkish Trump,” whose real estate company has business ties in Russia and Kazakhstan. 21. Trump threatened Republicans in the House, considering voting against Trumpcare, “I’m gonna come after you.” 22. NBC reported that The Trump Organization is in violation of New York City law for not being registered with the New York City Department of Housing Preservation & Development. 23. Deutsche Bank — a major lender to Trump — was fined $630 million for money laundering over $10bn for Russia from the bank’s Moscow office in a scheme dubbed, “Global Laundromat.” 24. Maddow reported that Sen Van Hollen asked Sessions to recuse himself from the investigation of Deutsche Bank, formerly conducted by Bharara, and asked if this is why Bharara was fired. 25. The Trump Organization launched a new hotel chain, triggering all sorts of ethics concerns, including that investors may invest in order to gain favor and access to the new administration. 26. According to a New York Magazine reporter, Trump is “obsessive” in recording and watching cable news: “a source close to the White House told me that he does DVR basically all of the cable news.” 27. In the Trump regime’s second major email scandal — Tillerson’s use of an alias email account (Wayne Tracker) — Exxon claimed to have lost all emails from the alias account. 28. Trump’s newly appointed GSA head said his Trump DC Hotel lease is valid. An expert on government procurement law at GWU called the GSA decision harmful to the “integrity — and thus credibility — of GSA. 29. Hawaii’s Rep. Beth Fukumoto resigned from the GOP and said she would become a Democrat. Her open letter cited Trump “marginalizing and condemning minorities” and demeaning women. 30. AP reported a bombshell: former Trump campaign manager Manafort was under a $10mm/year contract with a Russia-related entity, starting in 2006, to covertly promote the interests of the Russian government. 31. The WH responded that Trump was not aware of Manafort’s work for Russian billionaire while he worked on Trump’s campaign. 32. Manafort is also being investigated for transactions with banks in Cyprus, a haven for laundering money for Russian billionaires. Wilbur Ross was previously Vice-Chair of Bank of Cyprus. 33. Maddow reported that the AG of Cyprus is cooperating with US officials in turning over information related to Manafort. 34. Five Democratic Senators sent a letter to Wilbur Ross asking for clarification about his ties to Bank of Cyprus. The response was due March 24th, but as of now, Ross has not responded. 35. A Ukrainian lawmaker released documents which show that Manafort laundered payments from former Ukrainian President Yanukovych, who has been hiding in Russia since his overthrow. 36. CNN reported that the FBI has information that members of the Trump regime possibly coordinated with Russia on the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton. 37. Tillerson gave a surprisingly frank interview to IJR, saying “I didn’t want this job. I didn’t seek this job. My wife told me I’m supposed to do this.” Tillerson said he had planned to retire in March to spend time with his grandkids. 38. On Thursday, House Intel Committee ranking Democrat Schiff said he has been presented new evidence on collusion between the Trump regime and Russia that merited a grand jury investigation. 39. Russian lawyer Nikolai Gorokhov, who represents the family of Magnitsky, a Russian who died in prison after uncovering massive fraud, mysteriously “fell” from his fourth floor apartment, the night before he was set to appear in court in Moscow. He survived. 40. Gorokhov was also scheduled to be a witness in a US case connected to the largest money-laundering scheme in Russian history, USA v. Prevezon, which was on the brink of going to trial. Fired US Attorney Bharara had been spearheading the case. 41. Two days later, former Russian parliamentarian Voronenkov, who fled Russia after criticizing Putin, was assassinated on the streets of Ukraine’s capital. Voronenkov was a key witness in Ukraine’s investigation of Yanukovych and Russian military involvement. 42. Wednesday, offering no evidence, Nunes held an impromptu press conference where he claimed that some Trump transition team, including Trump, had been inadvertently surveilled. 43. Nunes bypassed protocol of reporting his findings to the House Intel Committee, instead briefing Ryan and the WH before his press conference, even while the WH is under investigation by the FBI. 44. On Thursday, Nunes apologized to the members of the Intel Committee for not going to them first, and said he was unsure if the Trump regime were even in the phone calls and other communication he cited. 45. Thursday night on Hannity, in explaining his actions, Nunes said he felt a “duty and obligation” to Trump. 46. On Friday, Nunes backed down from his assertion that Trump was surveilled. He also refused to reveal his sources. 47. On Friday, Nunes abruptly canceled an open hearing scheduled for Tuesday, in which DNI director Clapper, fmr CIA Director John Brennan and fmr Acting AG Yates were scheduled to testify. 48. The Daily Beast reported that Tuesday, the night before his Trump surveillance claim, Nunes left a Uber car with a senior staffer to take a phone call, and then mysteriously disappeared for hours. 49. WAPO Editorial Board called for Nunes to be removed as Chair of the House Intel Committee, and investigated for leaking. 50. As the week closed, a Quinnipiac poll found that 66% of Americans want an independent commission to investigate Trump-Russia ties. 51. The House Oversight Committee requested documents from the WH and FBI on any communications between Flynn and Russia. 52. The Senate Intelligence Committee asked Trump adviser Stone to preserve any Russian-related documents. 53. Richard Painter, George W. Bush’s chief WH ethic lawyer, tweeted that he testified to the House Oversight Committee that “treason is an oversight issue.” 54. The RNC, while chaired by Priebus, hired a firm with intelligence connections to Russia, to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton. 55. Andrea Mitchell reported on her show that a single source had told her Trump transition team members are purging their phones. 56. All week, Spicer and the Trump regime tried to distance Trump from Manafort, Flynn and others under FBI investigation. Trump loyalist National Enquirer ran a cover story on Flynn, “Trump Catches Russia’s White House Spy.” 57. A Russian organized crime money-laundering network, with offices in Trump Tower three floors below Trump’s penthouse, was under a court-approved wiretap by the FBI. The investigation led to the indictment of 30 people, including a Russian mafia boss. 58. WSJ Editorial Board issued a blistering attack on Trump — “A President’s Credibility” - in which they cited Trump’s constant lies and falsehoods for eroding public trust, abroad and at home. 59. Canada’s largest school district canceled travel to the US, citing worries about Trump’s Muslim Ban. 60. A waiter in California refused to serve four Latina customers until they showed proof of residency, saying “I need to make sure you’re from here.” 61. Organizers of a Cinco de Mayo festival in Philadelphia canceled, fearing an ICE raid. The festival had been a Mexican folk tradition since 2006. 62. Trump continued to take credit for jobs he didn’t create, this time 20k jobs at Charter Communications announced last October. 63. The Federal Judge in Hawaii who ruled against Trump’s second Muslim Ban has received multiple death threats, and is under 24-hour protection. 64. Despite a 44 seat advantage in the House, Trump first major legislative attempt, to repeal and replace Obamacare, failed — a sign of incompetence, but also his weakened political capital amidst Russian allegations and record low favorability. 65. NYT reported that Ryan had told Trump he didn’t have the votes, but Trump, Bannon and Short wanted to force a public vote to create a GOP enemies list. Ryan said no. 66. Trump blamed the loss on Democrats, calling Pelosi and Schumer “losers.” The WSJ Editorial Board blamed Republicans. 67. NYT reported that a US led coalition is investigating a strike in Mosul which killed up to 200 civilians — the highest toll for an American attack in Iraq since 2003. Unlike Obama who acted in a way to protect civilians, this and Yemen showcase Trump’s complete disregard for human life. Past weeks: Week 1: goo.gl/KWlyOO Week 2: goo.gl/Pn7MFs Week 3: goo.gl/CZwxsX Week 4: goo.gl/JhwuON Week 5: goo.gl/TGM6x8 Week 6: goo.gl/uhyjxe Week 7: goo.gl/bMdhTG Week 8: goo.gl/89MW8h Week 9: goo.gl/ekv9wE Week 10: goo.gl/RETyH1 Week 11: goo.gl/6cs0tt Week 12: goo.gl/bRMx5o Week 13: goo.gl/xzdjyY Week 14: goo.gl/1HwN4H Week 15: goo.gl/JxVghS Week 16: goo.gl/sZpudG Week 17: goo.gl/QymWmJ Week 18: goo.gl/Ri6E9N Pictured: White men of Freedom Caucus and the Trump regime chat about removing maternity coverage from #Trumpcare.
BiglyBadgers · 26/03/2017 08:26

not sure he'd stake his seemingly high reputation unless there was something in it.

Hmmm...I would recommend taking the j3ster with a pinch of some of that salt that is liberally thrown around the roguepotus account. Yes he is a 'celebrity hacker' but that doesn't make him an unquestionably reliable narrator. I have followed him for quite a while now. He gets some stuff right and has been following the Russian deaths and general Russian angle for some time. However, he also spouts a fair amount of unsubstantiated crap. He has been known to just block people who point out evidence that he is wrong and even accuse them of being Russian plants for good measure. He is quite entertaining though Grin

I would also recommend following John Schindler @20commitee. He is another anti-trump conservative and seems to be linked in with Mensch and the J3ster a lot.

BiglyBadgers · 26/03/2017 08:29

Russia's state news service applies for White House pass
www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/03/sputnik-news-white-house-press-pass-russia-236481

BiglyBadgers · 26/03/2017 08:39

Just realised i have created a random mash of jester and his Twitter handle th3j35s3r. I really should just pick one Hmm

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 26/03/2017 08:40

Amy Suskind's round-ups are now required (but depressing) reading.

BiglyBadgers · 26/03/2017 08:56

They also seem to be getting longer and longer. Good on her for keeping it up! Smile

BiglyBadgers · 26/03/2017 08:58

I think this article is worth a read. It links in nicely with the conversation we had yesterday about why the republicans hate the poor.

The showdown that exposed the rift between Republican ideology and reality
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/26/the-showdown-that-exposed-the-rift-between-republican-ideology-and-reality

Lweji · 26/03/2017 09:20

Worth watching just for the reaction to the claims by the Trump fan, who failed to answer the question of what it means for someone struggling with Obamacare to have it explode.
They should have pushed the question.

MrsT2007 · 26/03/2017 09:25

John Schindler @20committee is al well respected ex NSA analyst and agree is worth following.

egosumquisum1 · 26/03/2017 09:27

Wow...that was an interesting debate Grin

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lionheart · 26/03/2017 09:59

Getting Fox to act as his messenger is a new low.

egosumquisum1 · 26/03/2017 10:09

If the President's advisers can't endorse things, why can the President?

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originalbiglymavis · 26/03/2017 10:13

Cos he's the king. He owns American now, don't you know?

merrymouse · 26/03/2017 10:14

From that video, bow tie guy says healthcare bill failure isn't Trump's fault because Trump doesn't have any experience - so why is he president?

To be fair though, I think die hard Trump supporters are only one of the groups responsible for Trump's success. There are also people who just wanted to protest against government, people who saw potential for personal gain (tax cuts for rich), people who always vote republican, people who just hate Hillary and, perhaps most importantly, people who weren't motivated to vote at all. I wonder what they all think? Are Tea Party republicans happy that Trump is apparently now going to ignore healthcare?

I can imagine a situation where a non-tweeting, non-golfing Trump, transformed by office, caring about policy, could do deals with Democrats. However, why would they do that now? In reality the great deal maker has made his personal brand too toxic to touch.

Lweji · 26/03/2017 10:16

Apparently he thinks by definition he has no conflict of interests.

Remember that first conference with the lawyer and the pile of documents random paper he had just signed to detach from his businesses?

Because L'état c'est Trump.

It will end well.

originalbiglymavis · 26/03/2017 10:16

No because it's all about HIM. He can't see beyond his own ego sadly.

Lweji · 26/03/2017 10:22

When a majority leader has to make deals with the opposition to pass laws that only require a simple majority, he's in deep trouble.

For the Democrats to agree to anything that would mean less people getting health insurance it would mean a big betrayal of their electorate and their mandate.
For the President to pass a new bill that makes Democrats happy is a huge defeat.

Obamacare is what could be agreed between Democrats and Republicans. They won't want to change it, except for small tweaks, only to expand health care or make it NHS-like.

merrymouse · 26/03/2017 10:28

The conflict of interest is so confusing. He is right that his power comes from his ability to be elected president, and if the voters don't care, what is the problem?

However, his campaign slogans were 'drain the swamp' and 'crooked hillary'. Is he banking on his supporters being stupid?

Lweji · 26/03/2017 10:30

He's sworn to defend the Constitution, though, and he can be impeached for breaking the law.