Katie Hopkins

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html

AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is straying closer and closer to the line that separates legitimate "right wing" politics, and unacceptable "far right" extremism?

I find this article a) utterly incoherent in its argument and b) utterly abhorrent in its content....

Yesterday's attack is deeply deeply saddening- we live in London and we're heartbroken that this has happened again- but I actually find Katie's bile almost as saddening and troubling- as I fear these are views held by many many more people... sure these are just words, and yesterday saw vile, violent actions... but those actions would have begun with words of hate and anger too...

I'm afraid I find this thread rather depressing. It seems to consist almost entirely of name-calling and offers very little in the way of argument.

I'm not understanding why the KH article referenced is causing so much uproar. My own view is that it is rather too sentimental and glib. There's very little substance, she makes some interesting points but doesn't ever develop them into a coherent argument. Apart from the unnecessary personal attacks on Khan, I'm not seeing any 'hate' pouring out of it.

As she hasn't really explained herself very well, I have been left to draw my own conclusions about what she's saying. My summary would be that she considers multi-culturalism to be a myth, that we should be trying to defend "British" culture against a muslim one and that the terrorist attack has been caused by us embracing a multi-cultural ideology.

There are plenty of strong arguments to counter this view. Why isn't anyone discussing them here instead of banding around insults? I can see such a fantastic and informative debate that this article could trigger, so it's a crying shame that it isn't happening.

Good I'm glad you can laugh about it. I don't think I am hijacking by simply expressing my opinion.

I was simply providing my view that similar types of people fall in to traps like this all over the world.

All it takes is for someone to be a bit vulnerable or to be seeking hope to be swept away with ideologies. Many of these ideologies become cult like and are unquestionable to their followers.

I believe religion is simply ancient politics.

And Roseanna Cunningham was wrong, bang out of order wrong for her comments the other day. She should be removed from her post.

Good at least we can agree on that. NS does not agree and has defended her but hey ho...

Where have i been hypocritical count?

Well trying to have an intellectual discussion regarding an article from someone who's views are so tangled is difficult

As is discussing the view that a terrorist attack is caused by multiculturalism. It would be better in that case if the Hop really believed this view that she discussed the UK's colonist past as that is the root of Multicultralism in this country. But she won't. As her views are so simplistic she would then have to say Colonialism causes terrorism as those hops and skips are there

When anyone brings up the point that it really is Muslim countries we have been involved in bombing for the last 20+ years they are called apologists. There is no allowance for broad and open discussion on any side of this buggers muddle

I'm disappointed that Roseanna Cunningham has been backed by Nicola.

My summary would be that she considers multi-culturalism to be a myth, that we should be trying to defend "British" culture against a muslim one and that the terrorist attack has been caused by us embracing a multi-cultural ideology.

My response to this would be:

Multiculturalism far from a myth and there are many communities where many faiths live together side by side and mingle with each other.

The problems have been created by allowing pockets to develop within society where this does not happen. Defending our british culture is important and can only be done by ensuring that these pockets are not created. That means ensuring that whole areas do not become seperate from society in general and educating people. Also stopping radicalised preachers from having a platform and being stricter about known radicals entering britain.

The terrorist attack was a result of us NOT embracing multiculturalism in society.

My summary would be that she considers multi-culturalism to be a myth, that we should be trying to defend "British" culture against a muslim one and that the terrorist attack has been caused by us embracing a multi-cultural ideology.

It's difficult to have a debate if her argument isn't clear. Nobody seems to be able to explain her point of view. First of all she needs to define multiculturalism and then she should explain what she thinks it has to do with this attack.

Personally, I am concerned about her views because we can no longer assume that they are niche or that they have no influence.

She backed the other guy with his england=quisling comment too.

There is no doubt in my mind of her views.

And apparently that settler watch woman is a reformed character pfft...

People seek to blame radical Islamic preachers when atrocities happen. The fact is that the EDL, Farage et al, the mainstream racist media yes DM I'm looking at you and the rise in culturally acceptable racism and xenophobia plays an enormous part in why people are radicalised in the first place. Only when this is accepted and racism/xenophobia is not being peddled in the mainstream media, by idiots waving union flags and slavering about preserving bloodlines, by rags looking to cause hatred and division can we hope to stop this happening.

Or in the snps case sturgeon and saltires 😂

by idiots waving union flags

Hmmm...

Your views actually make me more likely to lean towards independence

Thats what hate speech does generally

by idiots waving union flags

Hmm...

The irony

Saor, I don't accept that argument. It is not the fault of anyone except people who are actually making the decision to kill people. These kind of attacks happen in countries where there are fewer issues with xenophobia, and also in countries where there is more xenophobia. I wish that we could see these acts for what they are - cold blooded murder, by criminals, by idiots, and please stop blaming everybody except the perpetrators. It is like blaming the victims of a crime for the crime happening to them. Please blame the perpetrators.

Saor, I don't accept that argument. It is not the fault of anyone except people who are actually making the decision to kill people

Exactly.

There were many example of very savage terrorist attacks before Farage showed his stupid face, and before KH was even heard of.

And leave the flag put of it please. I am not British, but I would never, ever disrespect the symbol of the Union Flag (even if it has been historically appropriated by radical groups - it was also appropriated by many sofa cushions... )

SaorAlbaGuBrath

People seek to blame radical Islamic preachers when atrocities happen. The fact is that the EDL, Farage et al, the mainstream racist media yes DM I'm looking at you and the rise in culturally acceptable racism and xenophobia plays an enormous part in why people are radicalised in the first place. Only when this is accepted and racism/xenophobia is not being peddled in the mainstream media, by idiots waving union flags and slavering about preserving bloodlines, by rags looking to cause hatred and division can we hope to stop this happening.

Or

SaorAlbaGuBrath

People seek to blame right wing politicians like farage when atrocities happen. The fact is that the SNP, sturgeon, cunningham et al, the mainstream anti english media and the rise in culturally acceptable racism and xenophobia towards the english plays an enormous part in why people are radicalised in the first place. Only when this is accepted and racism/xenophobia is not being peddled in the mainstream media, by idiots waving saltires and slavering about preserving bloodlines, by rags looking to cause hatred and division can we hope to stop this happening.

My Completely. Yes he is a murderer. Cold bloodied disgusting killer. We should rage at that. Not the justifications he gave himself. Take away the oxygen of publicity

But also remove people like the hop's publicity too

We know what she is but this anger is misdirected, be it at Khan or Katie. The terrorists and their well meaning apologists deserve our wrath.

Well, she could have directed her wrath at the actual terrorist and ISIS instead.

And who are the terrorist apologists, BTW?

Curiously, the DM is pitching his columnists against each other. Good for business, I suppose...

Piers Morgan goes:

You're wrong, Katie Hopkins. When I stood on Westminster Bridge this morning I didn't feel despair, I felt fury, yes, but also immense pride and utter certainty that none of these hateful lunatics will ever take London down

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4342736/PIERS-MORGAN-wrong-Katie-Hopkins.html

And so that you don't have to click on the link:

"After the attack, some of my fellow countrymen, including my MailOnline colleague Katie Hopkins, suggested this was evidence London has fallen apart.
That this great multi-cultural city, rammed full with 12 million people from all countries, colours and creeds, has been turned into an uninhabitable hellhole of extremism because we lost control of our borders and let in – and I paraphrase - 'too many bloody foreigners'.
For bloody foreigners, read 'bloody Muslims'.
The vast majority of whom (one in 12 Londoners is Muslim) live perfectly peacefully here, contribute hugely to British society, and hate ISIS as much as I do.
(...)
Britain won't buckle just because a few wannabe jihadis want to make a sick, pathetic name for themselves."

Yes lwejI. Piers is spot on.

I think the snp followers are more of a concern than mainstream muslims.