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Where's Theresa?

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TheOldLandmark · 22/03/2017 17:22

Following the shocking news from London, where is the Leader of the U.K and what is her response to this?

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lalalalyra · 23/03/2017 03:08

Surely the Home Secretary counts as a top jobber in a terror situation?

She basically said what had to be said - it was being dealt with, offered reassurance by praising the police, said that they were thinking of those affected and reiterated that the terrorists would never win...

That's all that can be said at that point surely?

TheOldLandmark · 23/03/2017 03:29

GlomOfNit
... what a really, really, really odd thread. OP appears, alone of all the rest, to be stuck in a 1950's time warp, where the deferential public were gratefully reassured by a steadying word from their Premier. However meaningless, platitudinous or glib that word might be

Following on from David Cameron doing the Brexit striptease (now you see it, now you don't...Bye. It's the Smythson retirement plan for me, maybe some pin money talk circuits if I must), then the Gove interlude, leaving Theresa May to carry the can of all those previous political manifestos - she has my sympathy. Poisoned chalice anyone?

All you 'COBRA, COBRA, COBRA' folk, may I ask just how many women were present in that high security meeting room?

I hope she steps out and tells those around her to fuck the fuck off. A strong voice would go a long way.

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EmeraldScorn · 23/03/2017 04:53

What is it that you think Theresa can do?

Unfortunately for the ordinary British people the UK has attracted an extensive list of enemies and there's not a damn thing that Theresa, the cops, the spooks or anyone else can do about it.

How do you propose Theresa is going to protect people from vehicles intentionally careering towards them or radicalised citizens wielding machetes in public places?

Britain isn't exempt from blame by the way, there's a reason as to why your nation is being attacked and I would have to suggest that the arrogant revisionism from your politicians only serves to add fuel to an already uncontrollable fire; Just to note though I in no way whatsoever agree with the targeting of civilians but I can recognise why "domestic" individuals are disillusioned to the point of plotting violent campaigns against your country.

I condemn the atrocities perpetrated over centuries by the British, do you? Or is it just the actions of a small Muslim minority that you condemn?

Playing the victim card is insulting to the victims of British terrorism; That's right it's not just those who prescribe to an Islamic ideology who terrorise innocent people, Britain have done it too and they have never been held to account for it.

Britain are responsible for numerous acts of terrorism the world over but people like you refuse to acknowledge it.

Do any of the following register with you? Pioneering waterboarding in Kenya! Saturating China with drugs! Colluding with pro-union death squads! Colonising a vast amount of countries including Ireland where they introduced penal laws, outlawed our language/religion, committed genocide by way of utilising a strategy that would see people starve to death, partitioned our land, murdered Irish citizens, introduced internment, brought trumped up charges against innocent people, engaged in collusion, etc etc, that's called TERRORISM!

The "stiff upper lip" strategy that I know the British are quite partial to is not going to combat extremism irrespective of its origins whether it be the international variety or "homegrown".

There was a "strong political response" after the tube bombings 12 years ago, did that deter would-be "terrorists"? No it didn't, so why are you advocating the necessity of a futile response that will solve nothing?

You say "May I just ask how many women were present...." Similar was likely asked in the days of Thatcher and what positivity did she bring to the world? The simple truth is that she was a hateful woman and she had a lot of blood on her hands.... Theresa won't be your heroine, because just like Thatcher all of the mistakes made by the British government will be paid for in every way imaginable by the average man, woman and child who has the misfortune of living under the control of British imperialism.

LouisevilleLlama · 23/03/2017 05:01

Yeah your right Emerald the British are so terrible those people deserved to die today! Hmm I don't think anyone's said British has been innocent throughout its history, but no country is! Be goady elsewhere maybe? Your post stinks of "deserves you right!" I'm sure that will console the victims families tonight probably still struggling to sleep.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/03/2017 06:50

Emerald Stop posting deliberately goading everywhere.

icelollycraving · 23/03/2017 07:42

I'm amazed this thread is still running.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/03/2017 08:07

I'm amazed this thread is still running

Me too.

Mummatron3000 · 23/03/2017 08:09

Yup my thoughts exactly, it took, what, 5 hours to make a statement. Not what leadership looks like in my opinion.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/03/2017 08:11

Yup my thoughts exactly, it took, what, 5 hours to make a statement.

Glad you know exactly what PM and government was doing in that time.

LadyPW · 23/03/2017 08:18

So some posters on here would still rather Theresa May's thought process went something like this: "shall I chair an emergency meeting of COBRA to make sure that we've got the necessary resources in place and are implementing plans to prevent further attacks on innocent people in the UK or shall I make statement giving the same lack of solid facts available as are already being reported in the press just to keep TheOldLandmark and her equally needy friends happy? It's a tough one, but I think national security can wait in favour of a couple of sad little Mumsnetters".
Hmm
Seriously? You'd rather she ignored national security & running the country just to say "we don't know much right now"? FFS.

BakeOffBiscuits · 23/03/2017 08:27

OP

You've said several times you wanted someone "from government to make a statement"
You've been told several time that Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary made a statement, very quickly, yet you keep ignoring that fact.

Funny that Hmm

You're either goady or can't read the words "Amber Rudd, Home Secretary made a statement"

remoaniac · 23/03/2017 08:30

I condemn the atrocities perpetrated over centuries by the British, do you

As I was born in 1972 and didn't vote in an election until 1992 I do not feel responsible for what happened before my birth and before I was able to vote and have any say in the decision making of our governments.

As for British - the French, Germans and Belgians have also been attacked - the Berlin attack was a great thank you for the Germans after they took in so many refugees. What is your explanation for that?

You are also forgetting that the majority of those injured are likely to have been foreign tourists, so not British at all.

JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 23/03/2017 08:31

Yup my thoughts exactly, it took, what, 5 hours to make a statement

Not really, there were 4 or 5 statements in that time from various places.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/03/2017 10:28

"...I was looking for a strong political response to the reality of people/citizens/mothers/fathers/emergency services/children/tourists, dying or being injured on the streets of this country..."

@TheOldLandmark - how, exactly, would Theresa May making exactly the same statement that the police and Amber Rudd, have been a 'strong political response'?

She would not have been able to give any more facts about the attack - we had already been given all the facts that were in the public domain - and she would not have been able to give anything more than the blandest, most generalised statement about the security or political response to the attack, because anything else might have jeopardised national security even further.

How would it have made any real difference for her to have made the statement Amber Rudd made?

DorotheaBeale · 23/03/2017 10:43

PM making a dignified statement now, in the House of Commons, which is the proper place, IMO. She has made a tribute to the officer who was killed, and the emergency services, and is giving an update on the investigation and the security situation generally. Most of this information wouldn't have been available to her yesterday.

derxa · 23/03/2017 10:45

Agreed DorotheaBeale

derxa · 23/03/2017 10:49

And a moving speech by Jeremy

Megatherium · 23/03/2017 10:58

I thought there was a degree of grim humour to be got out of her statement that the place where it happened was "no accident." Strangely, I think we had all worked that one out.

counterpoint · 23/03/2017 11:57

Divide and rule, springs to mind.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 23/03/2017 11:59

James Cleverly MP speech, who knew PC Keith Palmer personally. (He served with him in the army), was extremely moving.

Dozer · 23/03/2017 12:25

Now you're griping about gender equality in government/COBRA?

I'm with you on that, but it's hardly the point here, and we currently have a female PM and Home Secretary.

poshme · 23/03/2017 16:21

Turns out that as well as cobra, she also met the queen in that time when OP was whinging she should have been on TV making statements.

So- she was doing her job.

Would you rather we had Donald trump, tweeting out crap to reassure you? Give me Theresa & her steadyness any day.

JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 23/03/2017 18:55

It's been confirmed an American tourist was one of the victims of the attack, for all those wondering (or rather complaining stupidly) why Trump was informed.

TheOldLandmark · 24/03/2017 05:27

Emeraldscorn great post, thank you.

I condemn the atrocities perpetrated over centuries by the British, do you? Or is it just the actions of a small Muslim minority that you condemn? I'm well aware that the U.K conveniently forgets their own acts of 'terrorism', and the raging hypocrisy of this.

I have managed to catch up with the media coverage and it has been predictably inflammatory and more graphic than ever. My point was not about race or religion (or the sex of the PM), or for TM to appear in combat fatigues with a rocket launcher strapped to her back shouting 'let's get 'em'. A short and direct message (as soon as possible) of support for the people who didn't have the security of being rapidly taken to safety and who couldn't know if the incident was a prelude to absolute chaos, would have been (more) appropriate.

I don't think TM was weak, I think she was made to look weak. The gender balance of the advisors around her at the time was a question regarding whether this influenced the method and timing of her making a statement.

I didn't get much further in reading the other posts sorry, will hopefully get some time later.

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 24/03/2017 05:36

I don't think TM was weak, I think she was made to look weak. The gender balance of the advisors around her at the time was a question regarding whether this influenced the method and timing of her making a statement.

Then you are very much in the minority.

Even her very critical opponents have commended her on the way she has handled things. But hey I'm sure you know better than they do.

What the fuck has 'gender balance got to do with anything?

Your OP and posts are goady. The PM was doing her job! Contacting for example the countries of those injured and killed but hey you'd prefer she was in front if a camera to make you feel better.