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Original poster

To think it's abhorrent that Germany are deporting someone to Nigeria even though they've never been there

78 replies

cheesyinkent · 22/03/2017 08:31

Sorry but if your born in a country how can you ever be deported elsewhere based on your parents origins?

OP posts:
Florrick · 22/03/2017 13:58

How about the country that they were born and GREw up in rehabilitates them?

Yes, perhaps they could move next door to you? Be your neighbour? Your children could play together and your LOs could go to theirs for playdates and sleepovers?

Mmm. Thought not,

Original poster
cheesyinkent · 22/03/2017 18:18

I apologise for this thread, it was before today's tragic news. Now is not the time to have this debate, I will email to get this removed.Flowers

OP posts:
Limer · 22/03/2017 18:21

Now is the ideal time for this debate. This scumbag is probably celebrating the deaths and carnage in London. Deport him and all others like him, like a PP says, cut out the middleman and dump him in Afghanistan.

CoolCarrie · 22/03/2017 18:25

Good for Germany, no so called human rights crap about these scumbags.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 22/03/2017 18:33

You will see more of this Merkel has an election to win later this year and she needs to show voters she puts the safety of German nationals first

user0000000001 · 22/03/2017 18:35

Trying.... really hard...... to give a fuck about this person's plight....

Nope. Failed.

user0000000001 · 22/03/2017 18:36

Oh, and this.

Now is the ideal time for this debate

SuperFlyHigh · 22/03/2017 18:39

Agreed with most here. Good on Germany.

How can any sane person feel sorry for these people?! Err not me.

juneau · 22/03/2017 18:44

Terrorists deserve whatever is coming to them, quite honestly. I have zero sympathy for a terrorist who is stripped of his nationality or deported from a country he has no right to be in. Just because he was born there doesn't mean he has a right to stay there if his parents entered illegally and/or never secured his status. He doesn't deserve to live in Germany if he wants to harm people there.

juneau · 22/03/2017 19:02

And quite frankly fuck due process. Terrorists love to squeal about their 'civil rights' when a country tries to deport them. What about the civil rights of the citizens of that nation not to be murdered on their way to school or home from work?

jay55 · 22/03/2017 19:19

Don't the people of Nigeria have enough to contend with?

1horatio · 22/03/2017 19:27

They were allowed to live in Germany... And yet they were found with a gun and a Daesh flag, weren't they? I don't care about terrorists or terrorist sympathisers. If I was found with a ... gay pride (for example) flag in Daesh occupied territory? I wouldn't be sent back to my home country.

Nope, zero sympathy.

And anyhow, if they were born in Germany they (as adults) had opportunities to apply for citizenship. They chose not to do so... And I'm quite glad they didn't, seeing as one couldn't deport them if they had.

1horatio · 22/03/2017 19:29

And anyhow, seeing as there's this thing called free movement[is this the English word?] (well, not all that free anymore, but still)? Germany would be endangering other Europeans as well.

So, yeah. Deport them.

coconuttella · 22/03/2017 19:40

Really OP? Of all the things wrong in the world, you choose this to get het up about!?

SuperBeagle · 22/03/2017 19:43

I think it's becoming abundantly clear that Angela Merkel is seeing the error of her ways now. She's got some serious damage control to do before election time.

SuperFlyHigh · 22/03/2017 19:53

1horatio actually you're quite right if they were that bothered about staying in Germany and being part of the German culture etc then they should have applied for citizenship.

Super I think Angela tried hard to be fair, welcoming and kind to many people from outside Germany. Sadly it's backfired in a lot of cases.

SuperBeagle · 22/03/2017 19:57

Super That's very true. Unfortunately, Germany, France, Sweden and others have become victims of their own generosity.

QueenLaBeefah · 22/03/2017 19:58

Well done Germany.

Lucy7400 · 22/03/2017 20:02

Tough shit for him.

Too little, too late from Merkel as well.

OreoDream · 22/03/2017 20:17

But if your ideal solution would be to punish the terrorist surely it'd be better to keep him in Germany with an electronic tag while they build a case against him? Not let him loose in Nigeria to plan more attacks.

Limer · 22/03/2017 22:51

An electronic tag wouldn't have stopped today's atrocities. We have to realise that simply modelling nice Western behaviour cuts no ice whatsoever with these religious zealots. In fact, it merely reinforces their depraved beliefs.

jacks11 · 23/03/2017 00:05

YABU

TBH I struggle to have much sympathy with islamist terrorist supporters or worry too much about their rights. If this man had German citizenship, then it would not be right or legal to deport him, but as he does not have citizenship it follows that he does not have the right to remain in Germany if they decide they don't want him.

He may have been born in Germany, but he has chosen not to avail himself of citizenship for whatever reason. Similarly, his parents also did not take up the opportunity to gain citizenship for their son before he reached the age of majority. The difference between residency and citizenship is that one is a contract to behave according to the host nations laws and customs- if you breach that, the host nation has the right to withdraw your leave to stay. Which is what has happened here.

I also doubt he identifies as German if he is an ISIS supporter. He probably detests everything they stand for. Rehabilitation is not guaranteed and the authorities may have information that make them feel he is an imminent threat- of course, he could plot things in Nigeria so this may prove an unwise move. Perhaps it's all politically motivated? Who knows. Ultimately, I find it hard to get overly worried about this man's fate.

OreoDream · 23/03/2017 01:13

An electronic tag wouldn't have stopped today's atrocities. We have to realise that simply modelling nice Western behaviour cuts no ice whatsoever with these religious zealots. In fact, it merely reinforces their depraved beliefs.

Well, unless you want a Guantanamo style system he can't be kept in prison without charge indefinitely. So if he has to be free I'd say an electronic tag in Germany would be better than free in Nigeria.

Actually, I think a tag could help prevent an incident. He could be banned from entering town centres or restricted to only going out at certain times of day. If he breeches the conditions the police arrest him on the spot / hopefully en route.

Lucy7400 · 23/03/2017 01:37

I very much doubt an electronic tag will stop someone who is prepared to give their life for a 'cause' .

MontePulciana · 23/03/2017 02:48

I highly doubt he will be free to walk off the plane in Nigeria! He will be escorted by at least 2 security staff all the way to Lagos and then bundled into the back of a van and never seen again most likely.