To think it's abhorrent that Germany are deporting someone to Nigeria even though they've never been there

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Sorry but if your born in a country how can you ever be deported elsewhere based on your parents origins?

If they go back to Nigeria surely they're just free to make whatever awful plans they're going to make unsupervised?

Well, yes, but they would have to travel back to Germany to set them into motion.

And perhaps on the way they'd learn to appreciate countries that have human rights laws and the like.

How about the country that they were born and GREw up in rehabilitates them? Rather than just dumping them on the tarmac of a country they dont identify in and will unlikley ever be rehabilitaed.

I really can't have any empathy for terrorists tbh, hope they rot in a jail in Nigeria.

They would have been allowed to live in Germany but they decided their sympathies lay away from what Germany would consider norms. Intellectual thought about how a society is structured and to what rules would be fine but owning a weapon and sharing values with an organisation that has killed German citizens does tend to prompt the state to be displeased with your presence.

They are not being deported because they are not Germans. They are being deported because the state has concluded, with some evidence, that they are a danger to Germans (and everyone else).

Because being born somewhere doesn't give you citizenship or nationality. I mean, I'm an Australian citizen through my parents, even though I was born in the UK and have never lived in Australia.

I'm afraid I have very little sympathy for terrorists without citizenship or nationality being deported.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people think the needs of a couple of terrorists should come before the safety of an entire country. Germany has a responsibility to keep its citizens safe

Sounds like Germany is being kind. I'd have deported them to the middle of the ocean. At least there he couldn't blow up innocent citizens in the name of some sick religious quest.

i find it more abhorrent that they are ISIS supporters, and I'm afraid I find it pretty abhorrent that anyone would have any sympathy for them. Do you agree with terrorism OP?

How do you rehabilitate a terrorist?

If you know this you need to go meet TM and discuss your ides with her.

Thankful that dude is nowhere near our open boarders (which I actually support fully) now.

Normally it would be a shitty thing to do, although of course you cannot expect anyone to have much sympathy for people in possession of illegal firearms and terrorist paraphernalia.

The UK and the US deport people born in the country or who have lived their since early childhood frequently - not only terror suspects but those convicted of other crimes.

I guess the issue in the German case is that the men are only suspicious, not actually convicted or charged with anything.

The man who killed a lot of people at a Christmas market at the end of last year was supposed to have been deported but hadn't been, so in situations like this it is somewhat damned if you do, damned if you don't...

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I think Germany is doing a lot of wrong, but this is not one of them for all the reasons already written above.

Its fairly easy to get German citizenship if you want it - the main issue is that few countries outside the EU are allowed joint citizenship after the age of 21, so they'd have had to give up their Nigerian citizenship to become German. A lot of people don't want to do that (it used to be a huge issue with the large Turkish community in Germany - people born in Germany having to choose between their heritage nationality and the country they'd grown up in, though I believe Turkish people are now also allowed duel).

Rather than just dumping them on the tarmac of a country they dont identify in and will unlikley ever be rehabilitaed.

Well they obv don't identify with Germany do they?

I wonder if they will be able to take Germany to the European Court of Human Rights and drag the process out for years and years costing millions

SuperBeagle I was going to say that

See ya! No problem with this at all.

I think it's passing the buck a bit if the person involved was German, but I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over the hooman rights of ISIS fanboys.

Exactly.

Good. I hope in the same situation the UK would do the same.

How is transferring the problem any kind of solution? People seem to think that as long as these people are taken away from them, then it is fine.

This situation is not unique to Germany.

I was recently aware of a case where the home office tried to deport someone, who was born in the UK to parents who moved here as commonwealth citizens in the 1960s.

He had never even been to the country they tried to deport him too. (Neither of his parents were citizens of it either as the part of Africa they came from had been divided up into new independent countries after they left) He was being released from prison after serving a sentence for a violent crime but funnily enough the country they tried to deport to refused to have him!

The only reason is that his mum, who had indefinite need to remain had never gone through the system to get British citizenship.

So it's OK for them to go and join Boko Haram and kill innocents Nigerians instead then?

No obviously that's not ok. But it's a long bow to draw and also Germany is not obliged to fix all of the world's problems.

The reality is that residence is a contract with the host nation in a way that citizenship is not. Most countries are signatory to a treaty that obliges them not to make a citizen of their country stateless by withdrawing citizenship in a bid to get rid of a problem person. They aren't under any such obligation for non-citizens and as lots of PPs have pointed out, the German authorities have a duty to protect everyone who lives in Germany. If there was a credible threat from these two men then acting for the greater good is sensible and I can see why they decided to take this action.

Would it have been more humane to try and rehabilitate them? Probably. Is that something a country under terror threat has the time or inclination to do, when lives are at risk and essentially they are at war? Possibly not.

I definitely agree that meaningful integration of immigrants is essential and to an extent integration inoculates a country against this kind of risk.

Well done Germany!
Though if they were found with firearms and swearing allegiance to ISIS, I'd have cut out the middle man in Nigeria and just sent them straight to Afghanistan.

Oh Dear OP. Mumsnet isn't quite the ridiculous extreme of liberalism you thought it was. Which I'm glad of. Now have a little read of what ISIS do.

Your own country does the exact same.

OP what would you have suggested they do instead? I'm not sure what would have been a better outcome in this case. There are no good endings.
No one forced them to get involved with ISIS/Daesch.