To be a bit sick of the independance referendum debate with Scotland

[Cantshedmymuffintop]

I will say I am neither Scottish or English, but getting soo bloody sick of the whining about another referendum (and I'm a remoaner!). It feels very much like a whiney teen having a tantrum that they didn't get their own way. There are two other countries in the UK, and do you see us moaning about our bloody freedom. We hardly ever get represented on political programmes and yet it feels like every week we get the SNP on the TV telling us of Scotlands woes. Quite frankly they are hogging the debating arena. Rant over.

Well I think socialism is less divisive, unless you're stinking rich!

But the SNP are social democrats?

I disagree that independence would end the SNP, they'd probably just be Scotland's left wing party from thereon in.

Googledout thanks for the 'also a prick' 😂 good job I have thick elephant skin. With regard to being unwelcoming I'm not the one telling people to f' off or calling anyone a prick.

I just don't understand why pro-EU, pro-Independence Scots think that they will be able to remain in, or rejoin, the EU. They won't. I'm assuming Nicola Sturgeon is setting them up with fallacies to further her agenda.

Well, that's democracy for you. Other people banging on about stuff you don't agree with.

Rather than the opinion on internet amateurs:

Simon Wren-Lewis, Prof. Economic Policy, Oxford Uni, fellow of Merton College:

He previously opposed Scottish I^ndependence, but now says Brexit changes everything

“The bottom line is that the case for Scottish independence is now much stronger than it was in 2014.
Then a brighter future outside the UK was patriotic wishful thinking.

Now, if they can stay in the Single Market, it is almost a certainty.”

“Brexit changes everything.
The economic cost to the UK of leaving the EU could be as high as a reduction of 10 per cent in average incomes by 2030.
If Scotland, by becoming independent, can avoid that fate then you have a clear long term economic gain right there.

But it is more than that.

If^ Scotland can remain in the Single Market it could be the destination of the foreign investment that once came to the UK as a gateway into the EU.

By accepting free movement, it could benefit from the immigration that has so benefited the UK public finances over the last decade.

No, that is not what you read in the papers or see on the TV, but I’m talking about the real world, not the political fantasy that seems so dominant today.”

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10552/top-oxford-economist-changes-mind-back-financial-benefits-scottish-independencee_

Sorry Bigchoc, I guess you must be an expert and everyone else with an opinion is an amateur 😴

I am proud to be Scottish, but I am sick to the back teeth of sodding indyref2 or whatever Ms Sturgeon wishes to call it. At the end of the day, the people of Scotland democratically indicated that they did not want independance. I was one of those people. It was billed, as PP's have said, as a once in a generation thing. Nicola Sturgeon and her band of merry politicians at Holyrood need to respect that vote, in the exact same way that we are having to accept Brexit. I'm well aware Scotland as a majority voted to remain, but at the end of the day, it was a democracy in action. Anyway, I digress. Scotland said NO to independance. Ms Sturgeon needs to comprehend that, accept it, and actually deal with the political issues within her remit and stop wasting tax payers money on this. Apologies if points are disjointed, its early doors, im posting from my phone.

The biggest problem with the SNP is that by keeping Scotland as a barely functioning economy, propped up on English money but still not doing much with it, Sturgeon can blame Westminster. They do for the fate of their NHS, but they are in charge of it.

If Scotland were flourishing then the calls for a second referendum in a lifetime would be tough to make.

Sturgeon will be delighted that she was told to get to fuck by May. She was never going to win an IndyRef at the moment but now has reason to whinge and complain and petition for one in the future.

It does seem a bit soon OP as that was a once in a lifetime referendum, OP. Not so much of a long life then. Yanbu.

I suspect if I was a Scottish yes voter I feel like the goal posts have been moved with Brexit so would want that as an excuse for another go at it.

Although an eu referendum has been bubbling for some time so the Scots would have known that? And quite a high percentage of scots voted leave anyway.

Oh I don't know, those splinters will get annoying ...

Agree STFU NS must be laughing.

Agree. Tbh im now thinking what ive never thought that if scotland wants it that much they should just go. Not sure if thats because im fed up of hearing about it. I thought it was a one off vote. Having it dragged on like this.....

Bug choc...everyone is allowed an opinon. No one is worth anymore than another unless you an mp and get a vote but they have to listen to people

Bigchoc not bugchoc!!!

Yes it's boring, but with an SNP majority in Westminster and post EU referendum, also inevitable.

What else would Sturgeon do?

It's 'Internet amateurs' whose opinion will count at the end of the day BigChoc.

if scotland wants it that much they should just go.

I don't think they do though. I think certain noisy people do, but they don't represent the majority.

I think they will vote against independence again, if they get the chance to. (I called the results of the last GE, BREXIT and POTUS. There was a lot of shock but those who shout loudest on social media seem to be in the minority).

You're right OP it's boring and unnecessary and I think there should be something in our constitution about not repeating referenda within (e.g.) at least a ten year timeframe.

The EU has made it clear they don't want Scotland on there own it's all or nothing

Chocolatefuzz 00:36

The 'Scottish People' didn't vote for the SNP, 50% of the 'Scottish People' voted for them. 1.3 % voted for the Greens, so under 52% of the 'Scottish People' voted for parties supporting independence. I am obviously not a 'Scottish People' because I didn't vote for either of them.

I'm half Scottish, half English (with an English accent) living in Scotland and I'm sick to the back teeth of the IndyRef already. It was meant to be a once in a generation vote and the people of Scotland voted against independence. You can't just keep voting until NS gets the result she wants! The SNP would do better actually concentrating on doing what they should be doing, instead of banging on constantly about an issue that has already been voted upon.

I also can't understand why the SNP think the EU would want an independent Scotland anyway. Spain have repeatedly said they would block Scotland joining the EU on their own.

I'm a scot. A Scottish green voting - independence wanting Scot. Not SNP.

Hate to break it you lot - I know loaaads of people who want independence still and new yes voters who are distraught at England taking us out of the EU.

As has already been said ... that was the only cause of another referendum. So blame David Cameron and well... hmm actually maybe the English voters who voted out of the EU. That's why we have another referendum. Sorry that it bores you lot but tough. When I watch the news it's full of boring English stuff all the time so you'll just have to put up with us 'ungrateful' Scots. Oh and we do have plenty resources btw... or why did David fight so hard to keep us in UK... if we were scroungers he'd have been like byeeeee

YANBU. I am sick of Sturgeon's face now, and her whiney little voice. All she cares about is Scotland, and not the union of the United Kingdom as a whole.. There was a referendum a couple of years ago for Scotland to leave the UK, and they voted to STAY in the UK. Now the UK have voted to leave the EU, and as Scotland are part of the UK, they have to leave too.

Unfortunately for Sturgeon, Scotland cannot leave the UK tomorrow, and stay in the EU, which is what she wants. Scotland has to wait for the UK to leave the EU, and then Scotland can have a referendum to leave the UK, and if they decide to leave then; they can then can apply to join the EU as an individual country.

I love NS.

I hope Scotland votes for independence.

I'm fucking fed up with it already. If I could be convinced that the maths added up and huge swathes of people wouldn't lose their jobs à la Thatcher I'd happily vote yes because I am really, really fucking angry about Brexit (working in the Mod Langs dept of one of Scotland's biggest universities). But as it stands I'm a no because I feel that the Scottish electorate is still being thoroughly disrespected by the SNP as they are not putting down serious, workable contingency plans. When did they even become social democrats?

I love Scotland, I hate MIL's Braveheart memes. I love the creativity, wit, anger, diversity and vicious humour of Glasgow, where I have always lived. And I hate Salmond thinking that saying 'bawbag' makes him a good guy. I love the literature, the poetry, the artists, the beauty, the schoolgirls who stand up against the detention of a friend who is a refugee, the fighting spirit.

And I fucking hate it when it's all reduced to a bunch of platitudes, tourist-friendly sloganeering, some cunt called Gerry Cinnamon singing Hope Over Fear, MIL demanding freedom from our 'colonisers' and the questions we need answered don't get answered.

Sorry, pregnant, irritable and so done with this shit.

YANBU, I'm Scottish and sick to the back teeth of it. I feel particularly sorry for N Ireland in all of this, when UK leaves the EU and should Scotland then become independent, poor Northern Ireland would be completely isolated from the rest of the UK. Never gets mentioned.

Let's hope any referendum is a long way off and Nippy Nikki and the yessers implode quietly in the meantime.