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Dss abusive to his four year old half brother

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MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 18:48

This came up on the thread about the cruise cabins that I posted yesterday. Luckily we resolved that issue.

Many posters were concerned about dss and four year old ds. He will tell his half brother to shut the fuck up and be fucking quite or piss off. This happens when ds is loud and playful but is particularly bad in the mornings when dss gets woken up by ds. He has also called his little brother a cunt. We do punish him for this behaviour but have given up because it is very difficult to punish a 17 year old as many might know.

When ds was a baby he was much kinder to him and actually used to play with him/hold him.

He has little consideration for his brother for example he was in a strop when we went as a family to Disneyland Paris. I know they are teenagers and wouldn't want to be at Disneyland as much as a four year old but it was only for two days and then they got two days in Paris which we tried to aim towards them.

This causes huge problems as my sons don't like his attitude and dh gets really angry at him. Dh used to be close to him but they aren't anymore he gets really cross at his sons behaviour and ends up giving him money to just go and do his own thing. He gets on much better with my sons and it must hurt to see them do things together when dss isn't. But it is clearly his own making due to poor and disrespectful behaviour. I think he's got into a vicious cycle where he rejects everybodies love as a protection because he rejects them first. It's a really sad state of affairs. His mum and him are close but she is very involved with the new boyfriend and seems to give him more attention than she does her son. He has seen a counsellor in the past but he ends up saying what they like to hear and then leaving.

I used to clash with him but I've actually ended up getting on better with him and dh ended up getting on worse. I think I have come to expect little from him.

Not really aibu but I thought I should post it hear since it links to the previous thread.

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titchy · 13/03/2017 20:44

So he managed to use your phone so you're not going to bother disconnecting wifi again? His grandparents give him money so you're not going to bother with any sort of sanctions? Is this going to be one of those threads where every suggestion is met with a 'Yeah but....'?

Seriously no holiday unless he seriously sorts himself out. If he doesn't then maybe his grandparents will have him.

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 20:47

Dh is in despair at the way he acts. He didn't raise him to the way he acts and he feels bad about it.

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MatildaTheCat · 13/03/2017 20:48

Is there anything you could do to reduce the morning screaming? I'm assuming it's pretty early. There needs to be some give and take in order to enforce the zero tolerance stance. A four year old can make a pretty awful noise which might make any of us think bad words.

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 20:49

no but my other two dc use wi fi why should I cut it off for all of them.

I could change password but It could cause problems with family members who know the password.

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ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 20:52

Not that it would be excuse.

But how early and how frequent is the early morning screaming?

4? 5? 6? 7?

Right infront of his door? In his room?

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 20:53

He will wake up any time from about 7 to 8 including Saturday and sunday.

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MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 20:53

It will be on landing so outside his door.

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Foxysoxy01 · 13/03/2017 20:54

He is obviously in real emotional pain I do feel for him.

Although that doesn't make his behaviour in anyway acceptable.

The problem is if he doesn't want to help himself at all then there really isn't anything else you can do other than some ultimatums and sticking to them. Which will feel horrible as he is clearly a very damaged young lad but I really can't see any other way if he won't accept counselling.

Could your DH as a last ditch attempt spend a specially allocated day/half day with The lad every week and see if that helps? He may have to ride out the less shitty behaviour by ignoring it. I would think if your DH could make him feel loved and secure it would probably solve most of the problems but doing that with a headstrong teen is not going to be easy.

midcenturymodern · 13/03/2017 20:55

So you won't do therapy, you won't kick him out, you won't stop giving him money and you won't stop his wifi. Apart from getting him a private cabin on a cruise ship because he is so bloody awful nobody will share with him, what are you prepared to do?

ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 20:58

Could your DH as a last ditch attempt spend a specially allocated day/half day with The lad every week and see if that helps? He may have to ride out the less shitty behaviour by ignoring it. I would think if your DH could make him feel loved and secure it would probably solve most of the problems but doing that with a headstrong teen is not going to be easy.

I do 100% agree with that.

Btw, your DS is his halfbrother, am I understanding that correctly?

He will wake up any time from about 7 to 8 including Saturday and sunday.

IF your DSS is willing to cooperate, would it be possible for him to be in a room without a screaming child infront of the door every morning?

Or maybe have a noise cancelling wall or anything?

ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 21:01

Btw, does he drink? Is he on drugs?

Flisstizzy · 13/03/2017 21:11

You need to stop the screaming outside his door, take the 4 year old downstairs, impress on him he must not scream.
However in saying this, I still believe that your dss needs a strong ultimatum to stop the swearing and shitty behaviour or to move out.

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:13

Could your DH as a last ditch attempt spend a specially allocated day/half day with The lad every week and see if that helps? He may have to ride out the less shitty behaviour by ignoring it. I would think if your DH could make him feel loved and secure it would probably solve most of the problems but doing that with a headstrong teen is not going to be easy.

I will put this to dh.

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Porpoiselife · 13/03/2017 21:18

This is seriously messed up. The 4 year old imo needs prioritising because the 17 year old is the one causing this terrible situation. He needs to stop or be kicked out. You have a toddler to protect.

It won't be long before he moves from swearing at him to thumping him one. Your dh should be dealing with this very severely!

ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 21:20

So, he screams, gets verbal abuse.

Next morning the same happens again. And again...?

Your DS isn't afraid to do it despite getting verbally abused so often...?

ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 21:21

Just... because. Ok, as I said. I know what it's like to be afraid of somebody you're livin with.

So is my muuuuuch younger half sister.
And she learned when she could be loud and when not when she was muc younger than 4.

HOWEVER, verbal abuse is still never ok. Obviously.

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:22

In regards to drugs I don't think so.

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MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:23

He gets over excited it's not every morning but it happens often.

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MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:24

He is frightened he won't go near dss and he won't ask him for anything or talk to him so i assume he has got the vibe from dss.

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ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 21:26

OK.

As I said. Not trying to imply anything. I was just curious about the whole dynamics.

I don't think there's anything else I can say. Except that I want to reiterate that your DS has to be protected.

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:31

Me and dh just feel as though we don't deserve it. Dh fighter so hard for the custody he got and feels as though he has been a failure.

But it's hard to understand why dss wants everyone to hate him. If must be horrible for to know that your so bad people don't want to share a cabin with you that you only sleep in after all.

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MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:35

You need to stop the screaming outside his door, take the 4 year old downstairs, impress on him he must not scream.
However in saying this, I still believe that your dss needs a strong ultimatum to stop the swearing and shitty behaviour or to move out.

We do but it can happen during day as well.

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MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:35

In regards to money he won't be getting money from us anymore it is rewarding bad behaviour.

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ChippieBeanAndHorro · 13/03/2017 21:39

during day as well.

Does he sleep during the day?

Can you send him to military school? Does that even exist in the UK?

MrsWatt · 13/03/2017 21:40

During day he will scream and dss will still tell him to shut up.

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