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AIBU to ask if you allow your teens to hang out with unknown friends?

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WhippinPiccadilly1 · 09/03/2017 20:04

As per the thread title, those with teens in the ages 13-15, do you know their friends? Or do you allow them to go out with friends you haven't met, and don't know?

I'm curious as to if I'm being unfair to my 15 year old, after I've said to him he needs to invite his friends over so I can meet them. I just feel uneasy at knowing nothing about them. They don't attend his school, and he met them going to a park with another friend.

I can be quite strict, he isn't allowed to go out after school unless it's something like cinema, swimming, organised activities. He is allowed out at the weekend, but must be home for tea time (6). I'm finding it hard to set boundaries.

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WhippinPiccadilly1 · 09/03/2017 20:56

I'm actually grateful for these responses! I worried I wasn't strict enough to be honest.

He's been going to the town centre Park since last summer. Not all the time, every few weeks maybe. That's where he met these friends. Since Christmas I have asked him if he wants to invite them over, I've made all sorts of suggestions of things they can do, get a pizza and film, play ps4, all the usual stuff. He just says no. He doesn't want them to come over.

I've tried to be fair in still letting him go out, but I'm getting increasingly worried. There was a self harming incident last weekend, where his friend self harmed, and then walked in to a boarded up derelict building. My son and a few others followed him in there. However, I didn't know about him entering the (very dangerous, has been set on fire by teens multiple time) building until late that night when someone posted on a local Facebook page about it, and I was able to work out it was my DS who had been in there. Eventually I got the full story out of DS.

This friend is 17, my DS just turned 15 today. I'm worrying, probably unnecessarily, but he's ditched all his school friends, in favour of these other friends, which again, could be totally fine. I'm just worried. DS is quite naive, and prone to leading with his emotions.

I have no real idea what I should be doing, but I worry about being criticised for not doing the right things for my children.

Re: 6pm, that's when tea is. There is just me, him and my 2 preschool children. I am so busy (one is under diagnosis for autism and has extremely challenging behaviour) that I simply can't do meals at other times. I don't have money for separate meals. He doesn't want stuff reheated, and often isn't going to reheat well. So that's the rule. I let him go back out if he wants in the summer when the nights aren't dark.

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iamavodkadrinker · 09/03/2017 20:57

You do know he's 15 not 5 right?

Graphista · 09/03/2017 21:01

You're either going to end up having raised an adult who is insecure and socially awkward or he's gonna head off to uni or leave home in 2/3 years and go absolutely wild!

Your role as a parent is to raise a confident, affable, sensible adult.

You are being far too strict but at this point you need to ease into being less so or he'll be confused.

My dd is 16 I've worked with teens in various voluntary roles and seen the effects of various parenting styles.

I don't know all my dds friends but by being friendly and communicating very openly with her I've met and come to know the close ones very well and the others I'm usually acquainted with, I know their parents too and chat with them. There are also some I don't know but I trust my dd to choose friends well.

Over the years she's learnt and we've discussed what makes someone a good friend and when someone isn't really being a friend.

There's been conflicts and betrayals - all part of growing up.

You need to gradually back off. Communicate (talk about EVERYTHING you talk about the small stuff, take an interest in what's important to them and they'll come to you with the big stuff and do it as non judgmentally as possible).

Increase his curfew, stop insisting on meeting every friend, but you can invite round for tea, make sure he knows his friends are welcome to hang out at yours, stop putting restrictions on how he spends his time outside the house.

I'm not a completely lax parent, dd is not allowed to hang out in certain parts of town, late at night or outside when the weathers rough. But she goes to certain parks/communal areas, friends houses even friends relatives houses (grannies etc some of whom I also know). She's even been away with her best friend's dad and uncle on holiday (I know them) and had a great time! Friend then came with us another holiday.

It is hard to resist that need to totally protect them but ultimately that means they're not prepared for the world.

Hulababy · 09/03/2017 21:02

I think I am a little stricter than lots of DD's friends, but i don't ask to meet 14y DD's school friends before she can spend time with them after school or weekends. For example, on NYE, I hadn't (and still haven't) met the friend who's home she went to for the evening. It'd be too much to ask to meet all of her friends before she can go out with them, or before she could go to their house - too many and too old now really. DD has constant phone access and we have to trust her judgement to an extent as well.

We tend to want DD home before its dark if coming home alone, but tbh she doesn't go out that much after school as her friends aren't local anyway - so meet ups after school are just for coffee/park (in warmer months) for a while near school, or going to a friend's house - and we will offer to pick her up as would be a pain bus-wise.

Hulababy · 09/03/2017 21:04

*I've tried to be fair in still letting him go out, but I'm getting increasingly worried. There was a self harming incident last weekend, where his friend self harmed, and then walked in to a boarded up derelict building. My son and a few others followed him in there. However, I didn't know about him entering the (very dangerous, has been set on fire by teens multiple time) building until late that night when someone posted on a local Facebook page about it, and I was able to work out it was my DS who had been in there. Eventually I got the full story out of DS.

This friend is 17, my DS just turned 15 today. I'm worrying, probably unnecessarily, but he's ditched all his school friends, in favour of these other friends, which again, could be totally fine. I'm just worried. DS is quite naive, and prone to leading with his emotions.*

The dropping of his other school friends in favour as the older, non-school friends would concern me a little actually.
As would the being easily led and ending up in a derelict building site, etc.

I do think that brings it into a different perspective and I would be wanting to know more, and more reluctant to let them out later in the evenings/dark, etc.

Sparklydress · 09/03/2017 21:05

It's hard but try to let go a bit, relax (pretend to) and pick your battles.
I know that my three are very open with me, I hide my worry and try and keep the lines of communication open.

Even so, I am not stupid enough to think that they tell me everything but on the odd emergency they know that they can call me and I won't freak out.

Self harm is very common amongst teens, you are right to keep an eye from a distance.
He does need to learn and make mistakes, knowing that he can come back to you.

I would try and sort out the 6pm thing, it will isolate him.

Mammylamb · 09/03/2017 21:08

Yabvu! Next year he could leav home, get married or even legally father a child. He is not a small child anymore so you really need to give him more freedom

Userone1 · 09/03/2017 21:09

Having read your second post, I would be worried too

Userone1 · 09/03/2017 21:11

What did you do when you found out he had been in dangerous derelict building?

MadisonAvenue · 09/03/2017 21:12

It's a difficult age isn't it. No longer a child as such but not quite an adult.
Our youngest is 16 and he's become a lot more independent in the last year or so but he's also matured a lot.

On the face of things we should worry about some of the friends he has, there's a notorious estate in our village and some live there, but the first time we met them was when he arranged a sleep over (and sprung it on us an hour before) and they were such polite and nice lads, chatty and friendly. We trust him enough to let him make his mind up about people and situations. We have to, after all, the days of arranging play dates on the school playground are long gone.

We have a nice balance with him though as he's happy to sit and watch TV with us, and he and I go to football matches together.

Graphista · 09/03/2017 21:15

Big drip feed. But then I'm sorry I think he's ended up being 'easily led' and choosing unsuitable friends because you have been overly strict and not taught him the difference between a friend and someone taking advantage/who doesn't care about him.

You need to start talking to him about what makes a good friend without giving the idea you want to choose his friends for him, talk to him about why he chooses to hang out with the kids he is. Encourage him to do fun stuff with other friends who are safer/more suitable but be canny about it.

waterrat · 09/03/2017 21:15

gosh that is severely restricted life for a 15 year old. Kids his age 'hang out' they don't do organised activities like cinema etc.

When I was 15 there is no way I would have brought friends home to meet my parents - there were kids I knew out and about in the park/ parties but there is no way I would have brought them home. They were just people I knew.

YOu make him come home by 6pm for tea? When I Was 15 my curfew was about 10 or 11 at night, I went to parties at weekends and - I grew up in London so this was easier for me than perhaps in other plaes - I went out clubbing ! By 16 I was staying out all night - however I do accept that was fairly extreme.

It won't be long till he is sixth form age - at which point my parents really did have no say over what I did - so I'm not sure how you are preparing him for real life here.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 09/03/2017 21:16

With regard to tea - can he not shift for himself if he gets home too late for your dinner? At 15 my son was cooking for the family at least twice a week, and would go to the gym or playing football straight from school on nights he wasn't at cadets. As long as I knew roughly where he was I let him have the independence.

waterrat · 09/03/2017 21:17

re derelict building - he is 15 not 8 ! yes they make risky decisions but that is part of growing up. I can't imagine how you can get that worked up about it - he will be an adult and out of your control soon - if you don't let him off the leash a bit he will be completely clueless as to how to balance risks and make decisions.

gamerchick · 09/03/2017 21:17

I can be quite strict

Really? Can't see that anywhere.

Your son is going to massively rebel if you don't loosen those strings. Why don't you have faith in the tools and lessons you've installed in him? Did you suck at parenting when he was younger and feel guilty? Confused

15 sucks monkeys balls, he has to find his own way. Give him some freedom.

Graphista · 09/03/2017 21:19

Yes he should also be well capable of at least popping chicken n chips in the oven for his tea when he gets in. If not making some pasta/noodles/stir fry all easy dishes.

ohheytherepony · 09/03/2017 21:22

YAB vvvvv U! Poor boy, Jesus.

Haffdonga · 09/03/2017 21:25

Based on 1st post YABU
Based on 2nd post YANBU

Warning signs to me are the dropping of his old friendship group and the obviously dangerous activities. (derelict buildings and self harm).

I'd be keeping a very close eye if I were you. Random 17 year olds in the park don't usually befriend much younger dcs and take them to derelict buildings unless there is something like drugs, sex or alcohol going on.

If your ds keeps to his 6pm curfew I'd stick with what's normal for your family.

GnomeDePlume · 09/03/2017 21:26

My parents were similar to you. Strict curfew, only allowed to attending 'improving' activities. Always had to be back for meal times whether I was hungry or not.

I did resent this and became very secretive and ultimately less than honest about where I was going and what I was doing. It wasnt that I wanted to do anything in particular I just wanted my own life.

BadToTheBone · 09/03/2017 21:29

I was going to say yabu but after reading your second post I'm hesitating. You do actually let him hang out when th friends you don't know, the reason you want to meet them is because you have concerns about your ds behaviour whilst he's with them. That's a different thing altogether. My 15 yo hangs out with friends but they're usually school friends with an occasional older brother, I have no concerns about his behaviour, so I don't feel the need to meet them, Iyswim.

Mumzypopz · 09/03/2017 21:29

I don't agree when people say "if you don't him off the leash, he will rebel, be clueless, not be able to make any decisions in later life, etc etc.." Load if tosh. This may happen to some children, but you don't know that they wouldn't have behaved like that anyway, had they been allowed to do more when they were younger. I would argue that if their boundaries are relaxed when they are older, they may be more sensible at that point.

UsedToBeAPaxmanFan · 09/03/2017 21:30

I think you sound very over strict and your ds is rebelling against it. Asking to meet his friends and insisting he comes home by 6pm is something you do with 8 year olds, not 15 year olds.

I honestly feel.very sorry for your son. Do you have friends with similar aged children? Presumably you can see they have more relaxed rules with their teens and their teens haven't gone off the rails?

Userone1 · 09/03/2017 21:34

The link I gave has good advice.......

Try to Avoid Repeated Criticisms of Their Friends
I personally don’t think repeatedly criticizing your child’s friends or pointing out that they’re bad is going to be a successful strategy. Again, adolescents are developmentally at a place in their life where they’re defending their friends. And so it’s very difficult for a parent to turn around and say, “Your friends are no good,” and expect to have a conversation. Your child’s natural urge is going to be to protect his or her friends, whether or not they know you’re right. Realize that criticizing your child‘s friends is like criticizing an aspect of your child. It’s going to meet with the same resistance and hostility—even if what you’re saying is true. And all it will do is further alienate your child from you.

Make Clear Statements about Behavior
I think if you don’t like your kid’s friends, the most effective thing to do is state: “I don’t like the way they behave.” That’s the first thing you can say. “I don’t like you hanging out with kids who get in trouble, because you get in trouble with them.” Can you say this every day? No. But you can say it once in awhile. Be sure to simply state the facts. State what you don’t like about their friends’ behavior. You’re not judging them. As a parent, I think you want to be a little smooth about that. You could say, “Look, I’m sure your friends are great to you. But they all smoke pot and they all get into trouble. If you hang out with them, you’re going to get into the same trouble.”

Remember, when we’re having conversations like this with our kids we want to keep our observations on a level we can see. By that I mean talk about things that are recognizable: “I don’t like that Jackie got arrested for shoplifting. I don’t want you to get arrested for it, too. I don’t like that your buddies all use drugs because I don’t want you using drugs. I don’t think it’s good for you.” Make those observations and keep it simple and direct.

Use Structure
I think that structure can be very helpful when dealing with your child’s friends. In other words, if you don’t like the kids he’s hanging out with, then don’t let him go out on school nights. Try to have more control over where he goes and what he does. If he says he’s going to the football game and then you catch him down at the mall with those friends, that’s his choice. He chose to go some place which you didn’t know about and there should be consequences.

Set Limits
If you know your child’s friends are engaging in behavior that isn’t in line with your values, then I think you should set limits on how much time they spend with those kids—or whether or not your child can see them at all. If his friends are breaking the law or doing things that are unhealthy, you can say, “Maybe they’re your friends, but I’m not going to let you hang out with them.” With a lot of adolescents, defiance becomes a big problem. Many of the kids I dealt with would climb out their windows when told they couldn’t go out. But again, you set the standard as the parent; you set the expectation. If your child doesn’t meet it, at least he knew there were standards and expectations to begin with, and now he will have to face the consequences and be held accountable for his actions.

Going Out on Friday Night is Not a “Right”
All of a sudden, kids hit a certain age when they think they have the right to go out. Well, I don’t think so. I think kids have to behave responsibly in order to earn the right to go out. And you can say, “I’ll let you go out if you show me that you’re trustworthy.” Behaving responsibly does not include hanging out with kids who use drugs and drink—that’s all there is to it. I also think going out on Friday or Saturday night is not a right; it has to be something that is discussed every week. My son used to come to me and say, “Listen, Saturday night we’re all going up to the lake. Is it okay if I go?” Saturday night was not his automatic night out. Instead, that was negotiated each week, and the answer wasn’t always “Sure.” As a parent, I think you should be saying, “What are your plans this weekend?” Your child should know that they have to have their plans Okayed by you first, and that they have to behave responsibly in order to earn the privilege of going out.

Talk to Them about Mean Friends
What if your child is hanging out with kids who treat him badly? Know that he’s hanging out with them for a reason. He’s probably afraid of them so he’s trying to become one of them. When kids are afraid of bullies and other kids, one of the options they have is to join the group and become a bully. Because even though these kids are mean to him, there is a sense of safety there. The deal they make is, “I’ll let you be mean to me and tease me, but you won’t abuse me or beat me up or take my lunch money any more.”

But I think if your kid’s friends are mean to him, the kind of questions you want to ask are, “What are you trying to accomplish by letting people treat you this way? What are you getting out of that?”

Try to have an adult conversation with your child. You can say, “Listen, you have choices; you don’t have to hang out with these kids. You don’t have to be a victim. I can get you help with this.”

DrCoconut · 09/03/2017 21:35

I was allowed to go into town with friends at 15 to the shops or cinema but evenings were family time unless it was an organised activity or a parentally approved visit to a friends house. I would be taken and seen in so my folks knew I'd gone where I said I was going. I didn't go out at night until I was 18. Uni was a revelation and I had a wild couple of years, ultimately failing the course because I hadn't learned to self regulate and manage my time myself.