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To consider giving "lines" to my 7 year old.

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Originalfoogirl · 05/03/2017 02:53

We're having a bit of an issue here and I'm trying to find a way of dealing with it.

Our girl is 7, generally pretty well behaved, generally takes a telling and if told "no you can't have that" or "no we can't do that" she just accepts it.

Where we have a problem is, sometimes if we give her in to trouble for something, always pretty minor and the telling off is just a "can you please not do that" she can sometimes lose it a bit and start crying. Mostly it all blows over quickly, but occasionally she will really lose it and it ends up with her just yelling and crying. We've tried all sorts of ways of dealing with it and haven't really found a good one. It all ends with a calm conversation about what just happened and promises (on both sides) to do better next time.

Our current method is to basically let her get on with it and tell her we will talk to her when she stops yelling. It seems to have been working, the last time she only yelled for a few minutes and I thought we had it cracked. But tonight she got out of bed at ten pm with a spurious night time attention request (we've had a few nights of her not being able to get to sleep, which happens from time to time). We refused to pander to it, as it's become a bit of a habit. I told her the last time she asked, we wouldn't be doing it again. She did not like this and right royally kicked off. Shouted, yelled, and even screamed, which is a big no no in our house. She threw the mother of all tantrums and the ignoring thing didn't work, seemed to make it worse. Eventually I told her if I came upstairs, which is what she was insisting I did, it would be to close her door (she hates that) and she would be in her room all day tomorrow. She stopped, went to bed and fell asleep.

So, needless to say, tomorrow we are going to have to have words. She already is off screens because she's had trouble sleeping and I know that can cause sleep issues, so the "no telly" thing won't work. There isn't really anything else I can think of to take away from her, and anyway, that's never been too effective. So, I wondered, would it be weird, or terrible to give her lines tomorrow? Is that all outdated? Do schools still do it? Am I nuts for even thinking about it?

Or can anyone else suggest an alternative? How on earth do you deal with a tantrumming 7 year old who will literally just scream "I just want to talk to you" over and over again. I've tried a couple of times saying "ok, let's talk" and she actually doesn't really have anything to say. It seems to be an attention thing, but seriously, she is the most attended child ever because of her disability.

I have talked to her extensively to see if anything is bothering her. She did have a few sleep issues a few weeks back when a scary story was doing the rounds, But she got over that ok and was sleeping fine. We talk a lot about how she is feeling and sharing our worries. If she is bothered by something she usually tells us.

Ready to be royally roasted - interested to hear whether it's a really terrible idea!

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Believeitornot · 05/03/2017 18:50

If she screams at you, you ignore it. End of story. That's the consequence. Why do you need a punishment as well?

So my ds had a mini meltdown this evening because he didn't want to tidy up something. Turns out he was upset because DH wasn't listening to him trying to explain he hadn't actually tidied it, he just hadn't done it in the particular way that DH wanted. Having heard the change, I could see that actually DH was being particularly anal and couldn't see the bigger picture that ds has tried.

Re her not wanting to go to sleep and screaming etc, it just seems like attention seeking to me. Give her a nice bedtime with lots of attention and help her relax. She will sleep quickly.

SilenceOfThePrams · 05/03/2017 19:29

Any chance she's growing? If she has cp, she might be having muscle spasms as she drops off to sleep - she wouldn't necessarily be aware of them, they might wake her up but she might not be awake enough to work out what woke her, if that makes sense. Then her body might be fighting sleep as it doesn't want to end up with more spasms once she does drop off.

We use a toy with a wheat bag thingy in it - heat it up and rest it against whichever limbs are more affected. The lavender works for the added sleepy effect, and the warmth relaxes the muscles so they do less of the jumping around.

Worth a try?

I wouldn't go for lines myself. Or any kind of "punishment" type thing. But I would go for more of the "this has to stop" talks, along with a bit of incentive - "I'm too tired to do anything nice this weekend, but if you manage to stay asleep all week, then next Saturday we can go swimming (or whatever floats her boat).

7 is young. She may well be very nature in some ways, when it comes to dealing with her condition, but could be equally immature in a lot of other little ways; it tends to all even out.

Trifleorbust · 06/03/2017 02:45

Italiangreyhound: Nor do I, I just think the point about the punishment 'matching' the crime is daft. I don't see why it needs to.

And yes, of course punishments differ in severity (longer/shorter) but that isn't exactly what is being said here.

Trifleorbust · 06/03/2017 06:40

IamFriedSpam: Whether prison works or boy isn't a different issue. Children are going to have to live in a world where punishments aren't always made to fit the crime. This isn't really that hard for them to understand, so I see no point in creating an artificial system for them. A 7 year old can be told about cause and consequence, so why on earth not?

Trifleorbust · 06/03/2017 06:41

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Originalfoogirl · 06/03/2017 23:28

trifle. I agree, I've always been confused about the "must be related to the deed* thing. It's usually virtually impossible to do - or I'm not creative enough to work it out! I'm a fan of natural consequences so, if she takes too long getting ready in the morning and we run out of time, she hasn't put her homework in her bag, so she goes to school without it. if only her teacher wouldn't keep letting her away with it But most often, there aren't natural consequences to her actions.

silenceoftheprams
She never had spasms, until very recently it happened at school. I've been wracking my brains as to what brought it on. Never occurred to me it might be a growth spurt. They were pretty painful, so I expect if that was happening, she would know about it. You never know though, that could be it.

Just to report, she is sleeping better tonight. Last night she was awake til 10pm, saying the book she was reading earlier had scared her. Can't have been so scary, she was reading it when I got home 🤔

We had a bit of a chat about what had happened and have spoken about what we will all try differently in the future. Apparently, if I had gone up and just done anything it would have made a difference, she said she just wanted a cuddle. I pointed out to her she'd have got that if she'd asked for it instead of the duvet thing. "I never thought of that" she said 😂

I did find out why she doesn't like her door closed. She's not scared of it being closed, but doesn't like that she gets a scare when it's opened and she doesn't expect it.

Thank you all so much for your words and opinions. It's been really helpful.

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Italiangreyhound · 07/03/2017 01:34

Trifle " I just think the point about the punishment 'matching' the crime is daft. I don't see why it needs to.

Well clearly it does not need to be since many punishments imposed by school seem unrelated to anything! But at home, where a parent has control, then it makes sense to me that the punishment fit the crime, both in severity (for fairness) but also in type/consequence.

If you do a lot of speeding in your car you will lose the right to use it. So for a child if a toy is up the table (in our house) it will get taken away, if our son makes a massive fuss getting off the computer (does he ever not do so!) then he will have less time next time or not go on next time etc.

This seems logical to me.

Also, as mentioned before it's not good to make things you want your child to willingly or happily do, be a punishment. So lines would not be great if you want them to enjoy writing. My dh goes to bed early so does not want early bed to be a punishment (since for him it is virtue). I stay up late and for me early bed is a punishment! But I do not use it for kids as dh does not approve!

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