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TakesNoShit · 04/03/2017 22:50

There's obviously a bit of a back story but you should be able to get the gist from the message. ExSIL recently got in touch after three years with the obvious intention of getting my DC's relationship back on track with their DF, her brother, as the DC have refused to see him for several months now. We used to get on well and I was hopeful that she might be able to get through to abusive XH. I was disappointed to find that she just brushed over the very serious issues which I told her about. Anyway, it a long message but was I unreasonable to send it? I'm not normally a confrontational person but her messages to me made me see red:

Hi XSIL. I'm not going to reply on Facebook to your last message but I need to get this off my chest as I'm frankly pretty disappointed about your position on this matter. When you got in touch, I was pleased and hopeful as I know you're a reasonable person and I thought that once you heard my side of the story and realised what was going on, you'd speak to XH and possibly get through to him. All I've ever wanted was for XH to be a good parent because my children deserve that and I thought maybe with your input, he would start being more reasonable. God knows I've tried to get through to him over the years but it makes no difference.

You say you don't want to take sides but the truth of the matter is you should be taking sides: the side of your nieces. I get that you might not be ready to hear it or confront it but the absolute bottom line is that XH is ABUSIVE and is an ABUSER. He abused me for our entire relationship and he still tries to abuse and control me now. I know you all turned a blind eye at the time and excuse me for reaching a place where I won't take his shit any more, but as a minimum, I expect you not to be complicit in his abuse of me and your nieces. I suggest you look up the term 'flying monkey' as that is what you are being at the moment. I get that at the heart of it, you want the girls to have a relationship with XH and hope that if we could just reach a compromise, then it will be possible. But you need to think carefully about what cost having a relationship will have to them. I want you to answer me this truthfully: do you think XH is a good father? Not if he has the potential, but if he actually is a good father right now?

What has annoyed me is the innocuous platitudes of 'it takes two people', 'both have to drop the animosity' etc. I'm sorry, but platitudes do not feed my children, keep them warm, clothed, fed, happy, healthy. Actual parenting does that. There is this implication from your messages that I am somehow complicit in this bad blood between us and I have to also 'try'. Well sorry, but I am already doing my bit AND his bit too. I do EVERYTHING for my children with limited help from anyone else and zero help from him. And I do all this whilst battling a chronic illness. Do you know what it's like when the cupboards are running low and you have fuck all money to feed your kids? What it's like to worry when they start outgrowing their clothes knowing you have nothing with which to buy more? What it's like to be stuck in all the time because you have no money to do nice things? To struggle every fucking day because ALL the responsibility is yours? I guess not because your DH wouldn't ever see you or the boys struggle. Let me tell you, it's fucking shit and scary to be the ONLY provider. So when I tell you that he hasn't helped in nearly a year with anything, hasn't given a penny towards the support of his children, and he responds that he will start paying WHEN he starts seeing them, were you not embarrassed to tell me that like it was an acceptable solution? It isn't. He has an obligation and your nieces are suffering because he doesn't give a shit. That isn't love. That isn't a father. And if you really cared, you'd tell him to forget seeing them until he can do the absolute minimum which is to FINANCIALLY SUPPORT HIS CHILDREN. What would happen if I decided not to spend my money on them? They'd be removed from my care, that's what. Why should it be any different for him? And to add insult to injury, he's living the life of fucking Reilly and it's one big fucking joke to his family. I've seen the memes you've tagged him in: ha ha, XH is an alcoholic who goes out on the piss all the time. Sorry if I'm not able to see the funny side when he's pissing up MY CHILDREN'S money against the wall and snorting it up his nose. It's a fucking slap in the face for me when I'm struggling so much. Aside from that, I have tried and tried and tried with him, yet here I still am, doing everything on my own and still taking his abuse. I deserve to be angry so don't tell me that I should also be trying. Been there, done that for 16 PAINFUL years. You should be telling him to PROVE himself first. Tell him you're not surprised that I'm angry given he does fuck all and our children are missing out. Don't tell me I should keep on taking his abuse 'for the good of the children'. Do you know there isn't a SINGLE occasion where we've spoken and he hasn't levelled some form of criticism of me or my ability as a parent? I don't know where the fuck he gets off trying to imply that I've done anything wrong. I REFUSE to listen to it anymore. Why should I? And then I start getting the same from you! You need to accept and admit to yourself that I've done nothing wrong, I've already tried, and it shouldn't be up to me anymore. WHEN and IF he is able to PROVE that he is a capable and caring father, then I will start believing it. Were you not shocked by the things I told you? Most people are. It's time you placed the blame squarely with the person that deserves it. I know better than anyone how difficult he is but if you love your nieces like you say you do, then be an advocate for them and stand up to him and tell it to him straight. TAKE YOUR NIECES' SIDE.

OP posts:
TENSHI · 06/03/2017 16:27

Op well done, you write so eloquently and you have suffered so much.

You definitely did the right thing and you are a brilliant mum.

Flowers
TakesNoShit · 06/03/2017 20:54

Thank you TENSHI and others for posting supportive messages. I didn't post with that intention but it's nice to hear others acknowledge how difficult it is for me.

Here's a turn up for the books...she replied to say sorry! She's wants to work with him on everything I have raised. She has offered to take them shopping this weekend and asked me if there's anything they need which nearly made me cry! I haven't been asked that in soooo long. And good timing too as DD1 is in desperate need of new school shoes (two pairs ruined this school year already!) and I was panicking about how to pay for them.

So, perhaps I've got through to her. I am glad I credited her as a reasonable person who might listen and advocate for my girls. I know she will not be able to change him and this won't be the end to our issues but for now I feel like I have her on side. Maybe, just maybe, she might start paying a bit more attention and noticing the things that I have complained about.

Thanks for the support all. It's made a huge difference Flowers

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Aderyn2016 · 06/03/2017 21:47

Best of luck - I really hope your sil is starting to see the truth.

Trb17 · 06/03/2017 22:02

@TakesNoShit ... you rock. Your girls have an awesome Mum. Seriously I'm proud of you and I don't even know you.

@MadMags ... Blood doesn't always equate to good to be around! ... could not have said it better myself.

RhodaBorrocks · 06/03/2017 22:14

I'm glad your message has prompted some action on her part. I can't see my XSIL doing the same.

I think my XPs family know he's been am utter shit though. XMIL wanted to visit DS and I was pleased but then XP threw his toys out of the pram in a spectacular display of "If I can't see him no one can!"

Except I have never blocked XPs access to DS. When XMIL messaged to say she wasn't coming because XP was having a strop I told her she was welcome on her own or he could get back to me when he could be a grown up.

None of the family have messaged since. I think they are scared of XPs reaction. In my last message to XMIL I also made it clear XP was of no support, I would not block access but I would also not guarantee DS would welcome him back with open arms. As a PP has said, calm and emotionless does the trick. If they'd thought I was anything other than right they'd have messaged back and said so.

I'm glad you got through to her and got an apology. Now let's hope she takes XH to task and he steps up for his girls.

FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 06/03/2017 22:26

I'm glad you seem to have got through her Flowers

FWIW, I have a brother and I'm a mother of boys. I like to think that having been exposed to this stuff via MN (luckily not in real life) that I'd be at the least supportive of a DIL should she find herself in a situation anywhere near yours.

Take care Flowers

LaContessaDiPlump · 06/03/2017 22:33

Good luck op - I hope she has seen the light, at least in part!

Willow2017 · 06/03/2017 22:59

Great result Grin
Hopefully she will keep her promises and even if she realises that she cannot change her brother she will remain a friend to you and a great aunt to the girls.

Good Luck, your girls have an awesome mum Flowers

Givemeallthechocolate · 06/03/2017 23:17

From my experience, I don't think you'll get a good/friendly/fair response, However I do want to tell you something,
In the past I rose above the shit, rose above it, rose above it. The less he did, the more he was labelled a hero.
My daughter is 9. I think he's bought her a present for her birthday once.
He has given a total of £200 to DDs upbringing.
I didn't shout from the rooftops what he was. I tried to be mature whilst he made so many false accusations about me.
My biggest regret is that I never had my say. I was judged hard by everyone. The anger still eats me up, and he disappeared from DDs life 5 years ago.
Saying it will make you feel better, glad you've been able to let it go.

Givemeallthechocolate · 06/03/2017 23:19

I was wrong! Sorry that's lovely of her!

emmyrose2000 · 06/03/2017 23:37

She regularly used to host his multiple OW for dinner behind my back but I accepted her loyalty to her brother and remained on decent terms with her

This alone would've made me cut her off permanently. I presume this happened when you and DP were still together. There's no excusing her actions here.

Frankly, I'd just be done with her. Your kids don't need an aunt like this in their lives, and I don't understand your desire/need to want to maintain a relationship with her. Even though she's said sorry, and wants to take the kids out this weekend, when push comes to shove, she'll more than likely take her abusive brother's side over anyone else's.

Softkitty2 · 07/03/2017 01:35

To be honest OP I agree with other pp, block her and move on with your life. How can you get through to a woman who has hosted your exh mistress whilst being married.

I get family loyalty but that is just wrong and immoral and why would you want to stay civil with a woman who did that to you. She clearly doesnt respect you.

Save your time and energy and ignore.

The best thing is for them to see how well you and your girls are doing and you are all happy.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 07/03/2017 06:02

I'm glad your exSIL has apologised and asked if there's anything she can get for the girls.

The only thing I would be wary of is if your ex turns up on the shopping trip as well.

However, I do have to agree that I can't see how you could still think she is reasonable or at all on your side in any way when she was facilitating her brother's cheating on you - actually hosting the OWs is unbelievably rude to you, as his wife! I'm totally shocked at her behaviour there and actually just as shocked that you accepted that and moved on from it, unless you feel that she is also a victim of his abusive ways? If so, then ok, I get it. Still don't think I could have got past it myself though!

Anyway - good luck with the next step and hopefully she'll stop sending you really quite dim emails that are quite seriously victim-blaming. :(

redexpat · 07/03/2017 06:26

I think youre bloody marvelous.

Rainydayspending · 07/03/2017 06:31

Step away. You'll get nothing from that feckless family. As you've laid in with a long attack (perfectly justified) on her and her family they're just never going to let that go. Completely disengage. Let him seek contact through the courts. Keep evidence of the abuse and your children's sensible refusal to see him. Keep you and your children away from them all as they'll only enable abuse. They're just now aware they can control you with money.

farangatang · 07/03/2017 07:38

Your XH sounds exactly the sort of personality as my uncle, who is an abuser and manipulator of the worst kind to my elderly grandmother, having moved into her house and trying to control her. What I can't get over is how my aunty and several cousins seem to think the sun shines out of his proverbial (despite 3 of his 4 children refusing to have anything to do with him anymore!). My mum is the only one who seems to try to stand up for my grandmother and suffers the most appalling slander/abuse and lies told about her to all and sundry. She is my grandmother's legal Guardian and since he found out, he's made her life an absolute misery and doesn't care what lies he tells my grandmother (who has dementia and finds this very confusing and upsetting).

I would also be wary of your ExSIL - much as I'd love to think she genuinely 'gets it' now you've explained, I recall my aunty (mum is one of 3 siblings) pretending to be 'on side' with mum for a long time before it became clear she was just using this as an excuse to undermine her further and now aunty/uncle are both as bad as each other to mum.

Maybe go with Ex SIL on the outing - after so long, I wouldn't trust her alone with my kids!

I hate to be suspicious, but given my own family history and the nature of the male abuser, it is astonishing how loyal people will be to someone like that!

and I forgot to say BLOODY WELL DONE for your articulate and reasonable messages. I honestly hope logic and truth prevail in your circumstances and you start getting the child support (financial) that is the very least of your girls' entitlements from their father. You are an incredibly brave woman and your girls are very lucky to have you.

SanitysSake · 07/03/2017 08:19

I'd be very wary of the SIL. Yes, its nice to ask if there's anything the kids need.. But after her various behaviours, I'd be tempted to think this and her wider platitudes are but a sticking plaster to what could end up causing a more entrenched argument further on down the line with your ExDH and his wider family.

Don't be dazzled by the offer of 'stuff'. Yes, it's nice and yes, you need help... But this will be laden with condition and further exposure to a) wider familial abuse or b) your girls being subjected to discussions or situations which will not be good for their mental stability and overall internal security.

As hard as it is (and I'm a stubborn bugger); I'dve cut them all dead and only communicated with the Ex via legal/mediation channels. I wouldn't have cut off contact (verbal only) between the girls and their father, but as for visiting? Given everything you've said? Hell no. I'd make this as officious and official as quickly possible. If he's serious about being a father, he'd be begging the authorities to let him comply...and that hasn't been forthcoming has it?

You need and deserve the protection the system can afford you. I wish you and your girls the best of luck x

incredibule · 07/03/2017 08:40

I would like to echo Sanity. SIL is not your friend, OP, and will say what she thinks you want to hear in order to get you to do what ExH wants. You also seem too willing to compromise yourself for the sake of money from ExH, at least as I understand it from what you have written. IMO that is too high a price to pay, stay true to yourself and DC and keep the status quo. ExH has nothing to offer but more poison.

BitOutOfPractice · 07/03/2017 08:44

I agree. Op you are flogging a dead horse

piefacedClique · 07/03/2017 08:54

That's an awesome email. Good for you. He sounds like twat and sil sounds deluded. Well done Op

MadMags · 07/03/2017 11:06

So she's gone from supporting him to, in one email, being sorry and wanting to take the girls shopping...

I'd be wary. It sounds like you're willing to be very naïve so the girls can have a family that just doesn't exist. These people aren't the people you want them to be.

xStefx · 07/03/2017 11:15

Be wary OP but im so glad you got your point across and she seemed to understand it.
Your email was awesome and I agree with PP your girls have an amazing mother. x

Ohyesiam · 07/03/2017 14:26

Your articulate honest message had a result. It's a start.
Do glad your girls have you on their side, you totally rock.

MakeItRain · 11/03/2017 09:54

Having said your first email was too much of a rant, I liked your second. Maybe because the anger had gone. It's tough being in your position. The only thing I would advise (But you know already) is that she's not your friend. Ultimately her loyalty will be with him, and you need to disengage a bit now.
I think I'd also be inclined to ask for your thread to be deleted. You've posted great chunks of personal emails which could cause no end of upset if found by her family.
Good luck though. I know lots of what you're going through and it's not easy Flowers

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