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TakesNoShit · 04/03/2017 22:50

There's obviously a bit of a back story but you should be able to get the gist from the message. ExSIL recently got in touch after three years with the obvious intention of getting my DC's relationship back on track with their DF, her brother, as the DC have refused to see him for several months now. We used to get on well and I was hopeful that she might be able to get through to abusive XH. I was disappointed to find that she just brushed over the very serious issues which I told her about. Anyway, it a long message but was I unreasonable to send it? I'm not normally a confrontational person but her messages to me made me see red:

Hi XSIL. I'm not going to reply on Facebook to your last message but I need to get this off my chest as I'm frankly pretty disappointed about your position on this matter. When you got in touch, I was pleased and hopeful as I know you're a reasonable person and I thought that once you heard my side of the story and realised what was going on, you'd speak to XH and possibly get through to him. All I've ever wanted was for XH to be a good parent because my children deserve that and I thought maybe with your input, he would start being more reasonable. God knows I've tried to get through to him over the years but it makes no difference.

You say you don't want to take sides but the truth of the matter is you should be taking sides: the side of your nieces. I get that you might not be ready to hear it or confront it but the absolute bottom line is that XH is ABUSIVE and is an ABUSER. He abused me for our entire relationship and he still tries to abuse and control me now. I know you all turned a blind eye at the time and excuse me for reaching a place where I won't take his shit any more, but as a minimum, I expect you not to be complicit in his abuse of me and your nieces. I suggest you look up the term 'flying monkey' as that is what you are being at the moment. I get that at the heart of it, you want the girls to have a relationship with XH and hope that if we could just reach a compromise, then it will be possible. But you need to think carefully about what cost having a relationship will have to them. I want you to answer me this truthfully: do you think XH is a good father? Not if he has the potential, but if he actually is a good father right now?

What has annoyed me is the innocuous platitudes of 'it takes two people', 'both have to drop the animosity' etc. I'm sorry, but platitudes do not feed my children, keep them warm, clothed, fed, happy, healthy. Actual parenting does that. There is this implication from your messages that I am somehow complicit in this bad blood between us and I have to also 'try'. Well sorry, but I am already doing my bit AND his bit too. I do EVERYTHING for my children with limited help from anyone else and zero help from him. And I do all this whilst battling a chronic illness. Do you know what it's like when the cupboards are running low and you have fuck all money to feed your kids? What it's like to worry when they start outgrowing their clothes knowing you have nothing with which to buy more? What it's like to be stuck in all the time because you have no money to do nice things? To struggle every fucking day because ALL the responsibility is yours? I guess not because your DH wouldn't ever see you or the boys struggle. Let me tell you, it's fucking shit and scary to be the ONLY provider. So when I tell you that he hasn't helped in nearly a year with anything, hasn't given a penny towards the support of his children, and he responds that he will start paying WHEN he starts seeing them, were you not embarrassed to tell me that like it was an acceptable solution? It isn't. He has an obligation and your nieces are suffering because he doesn't give a shit. That isn't love. That isn't a father. And if you really cared, you'd tell him to forget seeing them until he can do the absolute minimum which is to FINANCIALLY SUPPORT HIS CHILDREN. What would happen if I decided not to spend my money on them? They'd be removed from my care, that's what. Why should it be any different for him? And to add insult to injury, he's living the life of fucking Reilly and it's one big fucking joke to his family. I've seen the memes you've tagged him in: ha ha, XH is an alcoholic who goes out on the piss all the time. Sorry if I'm not able to see the funny side when he's pissing up MY CHILDREN'S money against the wall and snorting it up his nose. It's a fucking slap in the face for me when I'm struggling so much. Aside from that, I have tried and tried and tried with him, yet here I still am, doing everything on my own and still taking his abuse. I deserve to be angry so don't tell me that I should also be trying. Been there, done that for 16 PAINFUL years. You should be telling him to PROVE himself first. Tell him you're not surprised that I'm angry given he does fuck all and our children are missing out. Don't tell me I should keep on taking his abuse 'for the good of the children'. Do you know there isn't a SINGLE occasion where we've spoken and he hasn't levelled some form of criticism of me or my ability as a parent? I don't know where the fuck he gets off trying to imply that I've done anything wrong. I REFUSE to listen to it anymore. Why should I? And then I start getting the same from you! You need to accept and admit to yourself that I've done nothing wrong, I've already tried, and it shouldn't be up to me anymore. WHEN and IF he is able to PROVE that he is a capable and caring father, then I will start believing it. Were you not shocked by the things I told you? Most people are. It's time you placed the blame squarely with the person that deserves it. I know better than anyone how difficult he is but if you love your nieces like you say you do, then be an advocate for them and stand up to him and tell it to him straight. TAKE YOUR NIECES' SIDE.

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ScarletSienna · 05/03/2017 00:14

I think if you had been abrupt and emotionless, that would have been held against you too as being 'cold'. You have stood up for you and your daughters and quite rightly.

CMamaof4 · 05/03/2017 07:22

Well done op, I think you explained yourself really well. Unfortunately when some people havent been through what you're going through they dont get it. Its not easy being a lone parent particularly with an abusive ex and people criticising you, particularly when you arent the one doing wrong.

You are well within your rights to send a message like that at the very least with all you are going through. Hopefully his family will 'wake up' to what is truely going on and if they dont then more fool them...

comedycentral · 05/03/2017 07:27

I bet it felt good to get that off your chest, good on you for sending it. I think she will get defensive but that's not your problem. You have told her the reality, she only hears her brothers side.

IamFriedSpam · 05/03/2017 07:36

YANBU. It probably won't change her mind if she's decided to stick with her DB but it was probably cathartic to send and it might put a stop o her annoying platitudes.

picklemepopcorn · 05/03/2017 07:49

I think something much simpler will be more effective.
Something like:
I'm pleased you want XDH to be a good dad, so do I. The girls really need strong, wise people in their lives who respect them and put their needs first.
I'll be happy to facilitate contact with you and him when he stops emotionally abusing us, and shows he cares that they are fed etc (whatever it is you want him to do).
I'm disappointed you think I should expose the girls to more of his bad behaviour, as it is so damaging to them. Please don't push to be back in the children's lives if you can't recognise that your DB has behaved appallingly and damaged his children.

WhooooAmI24601 · 05/03/2017 07:57

YANBU at all. Sometimes you need to let it all out. It won't change her stance but I doubt anything will. Let her attempt to twist it and blame you. I know without a doubt that if my DB was such a wanker I'd have no problem telling him so. Her unwavering faith in him is a reflection of her own stupidity and foolish attitude to parenting.

Needcourage · 05/03/2017 07:57

Well done, OP. She needed telling.

I don't agree that it's expected that she would take her brother's side. Even if he is spinning tales. She knows he is not contributing financially for his kids.
I know a few people that don't automatically take the side of family/friends if they are doing wrong. I like to think that I don't either.

To echo what CMamaof4 said 'Unfortunately when some people haven't been through what you're going through they don't get it'.

But If one actually thinks things through and put themselves in other people's shoes I would like to think it should help with their reasoning. So let's hope your message to her gives her food for thought. You and the kids have nothing to lose. And hopefully, something to gain.
You did good.

KeiraH · 05/03/2017 08:04

Not much to add to what most already have said but just wanted to say well done for standing up for yourself and your daughters, for fighting their corner and not taking their shit anymore Flowers

SailAwayWithMeHoney · 05/03/2017 08:12

What a message!
Sadly I don't think it'll be received very well, but I hope I'm wrong.

Well done you for standing up for yourself and your DCs Flowers

KellyBoo800 · 05/03/2017 08:17

Good for you, YANBU at all.

I don't agree that she should take his side just because she is his sister (although she probably will) and I agree that she should be taking the side of your nieces. My brother and his girlfriend he recently split and he has been an emotionally abusive arsehole to her and is not supporting their child at all. I am refusing to see him or speak to him until he starts paying maintenance and even then I don't really want a relationship with him any more because the things he has said to the mother of his child are fucking vile. She gets my full support - I babysit my niece, I'm a shoulder to cry on for ex-SIL and have pointed her in the direction of resources to help her. The fact that he is my brother is irrelevant - he is a shit dad and an abusive man.

CuppaSarah · 05/03/2017 08:21

Op that message is amazing, well written and so powerful. Yanbu sending it and I truly hope she she's so sense when she reads it, even if she won't share that fact with you.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 05/03/2017 08:29

A fair email OP although I doubt it will achieve much.

Have you claimed via the CSA?

Miserylovescompany2 · 05/03/2017 08:41

I think you needed to let all those feelings out. She's trying to mend a broken bridge that once covered a large stretch of treacherous water with a few flimsy words. She can't undo that damage and it ain't her bridge to build.

The childrens father needs to step up to the plate, starting with a financial contribution.

He's obviously playing the victim here. By the sound of things he has her dancing to his tune like you once did. Abusers are masters of manipulation. As you already know.

Personally, I'd be chasing up the child maintanance. That said, the system sucks now. If you have a person that doesn't pay, you get less for asking them to step in. Plus, if the payments still aren't coming...they don't seem to have the power to make the person pay especially if the person is self employed for example. I've had nowt for over a year for my daughter as her father claims he earns £48 per week? Strange how he runs a car, shoves takeaways down his throat three times per day, mobile phone contract, sky, Internet...ect. It's truly amazing how far £48 gets you per week!

AppleFlapjack · 05/03/2017 08:45

I really feel for you. Im in a similar position after seperating from exP after years of emotional abuse and one incident where he turned physical, im now a lone parent to two DC, one only a baby and he has paid nothing towards them. He spends one day a week with our eldest and picks him up from school for a few hours one weekday, he never takes him out they just watch telly at his house. His family think he is a great dad because DC1 loves him and he is always 'playing with him', but he does nothing to actually parent him.

Yanbu to say everything you did, but if she has so far backed her brother shes unlikely to agree with you, you are better taking the high ground and replying to her "thanks for your opinion, I will do what is best for my children thank you."

limitedperiodonly · 05/03/2017 08:49

That's a great message. She might butt out now.

If my brother was behaving like your ex I probably wouldn't confront him about it but I certainly wouldn't intercede on his behalf. I'd be too ashamed of him and also afraid I'd get a message just like yours.

BitOutOfPractice · 05/03/2017 08:49

It is a very powerful message (as a pp said it would be better if you'd sworn less!) but I also agree that it don't make a jot of difference. Blood is invariably thicker than water in these cases.

OurBlanche · 05/03/2017 08:53

Good for you! That's one hell of an email!

Honestly, who cares what she makes of it? All that, don't bother, it makes not difference crap only adds to the myth that the abandoned wife and kids shouldn't rock the boat. Why not?

He's going to blame you for everything under the sun... let him. But continue to loudly ask those questions that will totally undermine him: Why isn't he supporting his children? Why has he abandoned his kids?

His DSis may not get it now... but she probably will in a few weeks or months. You may be lucky, she may decide to step up for her nieces. But if she doesn't... you are no worse off than you are today!

And, as others have said, go get the money! Set the CSA on him, now!

Good luck.

BlondeBecky1983 · 05/03/2017 08:56

It sounds like you are taking control and running with it. Well done. Be strong. Flowers

user1234567 · 05/03/2017 09:02

I think even if she's angry and takes her brother's side she will have to take something from the message, it's all very clearly laid out.

AnneElliott · 05/03/2017 09:05

Great message - she needs to be told.

As a society we need to look down on parents that don't support their kids - it needs to become socially unacceptable.

theothercatpurred · 05/03/2017 09:06

That's a great email. Hopefully it will make her think, even if she's not ready to admit he's in the wrong yet.

TheStoic · 05/03/2017 09:11

So infuriating when people come across so righteous and 'fair minded' by saying things like 'it takes two' or 'you both need to think of the children.'

Fuck off. Some people are just cunts, and your ex sounds like one of them.

Don't expect miracles, but I hope it feels good to have stood up for yourself and your children.

Donthate · 05/03/2017 09:12

I hope it makes her think. I would have left out the swearing as she could say it was aggressive but I'd be interested to hear her reply.

NewPuppyMum · 05/03/2017 09:16

I've got a pile of girls t shirts if they are any use to you. DD has grown fast this year!

CoshPunt · 05/03/2017 09:20

What a great email. Hopefully she takes notice, but sadly I bet she won't.