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To think DH should stop seeing this female "friend"

516 replies

springycurls · 04/03/2017 15:01

First time posting in AIBU, I really don't think I am but DH won't discuss it properly AT ALL

DH and I have been married for 6mo. I've known him 2 years. We're in our late 30s and met online. He was always open that he was looking for a serious relationship and our relationship is great. He can be a bit immature and there are things I'd like to change about him but overall I'm happy. He is in a very niche job working for the government that needs a lot of specific, high level qualifications (PhD as a minimum)- it can be very demanding and a lot of it he isn't allowed to talk about. (this is relevant!!)

He has this female "friend" who he met many years ago. She is in the same job but is 10 years younger and though he wasn't her manager he mentored her when she first started. They do seem to have a lot in common- DH has some quite strange interests that I think he's a bit old for TBH. They became friends and stayed in touch but there's always been something "off" about her. I've heard from friends who knew him before he met me that they used to go on "dates" e.g. for dinner or films even though she has a partner. That hasn't happened much recently. She's been with this partner a long time but they're not married so I'm dubious as to how serious she is about that.

Anyway I went through his FB messages and whatsapps and it seems like they message quite frequently- at least once every week. Sometimes she starts it, sometimes he does. Usually it's about some of these weird interests or sounding off about work- again the very specific stuff about their job that us "plebs" wouldn't understand - but I've noticed that she has a pet name for him that no one else uses and he uses a pet name for her. She sometimes ends her messages with xxx. They are due to be away for work in London in a couple of months. It's not required that they go as it's a seminar type thing, but I found a message from him asking if she was going and saying that he'd go if she does! She had replied saying thank god I'll have someone to sit next to, you're the only person I like out of all of them!!

She has in the past tagged him on facebook and it's always a bit inappropriate- like they both went to this comic book expo thing and she photographed him there with some models.

I have met her a few times and always felt she was actually a bit rude/cheeky to my DH- especially from someone so much younger who is in the same job and should be looking up to him. He says she's not rude it's just "we think the same way". I think she's a bit snooty as she seems to presume me and DH will have the same interests. We had her round for dinner once and it was awful! She's known DH's cat since it was a kitten so it loves her (cat hates me, I hate cats) and she made a bloody great fuss of it. She then wanted to talk politics which was a bit controversial as DH and I don't agree and she openly said she was shocked by that and not agreeing would be a "deal breaker" for her and her partner!
He wanted to invite her to our wedding but I said no. She sent us a card and a small gift anyway which I thought was quite passive aggressive!

I have tried to get him to talk about her but he just tells me to leave it and that there's nothing going on. I can't put my finger on it but it just doesn't seem right for him to have this sort of relationship. All his other female friends are our age, married and he's friendly with the husbands too. I've tried looking her up on facebook but her privacy settings are very strong so I can't even message her directly telling her to back off. I could get her number off DH phone but that seems a bit OTT

How can I get my DH to see this is a bit weird, and am I being unreasonable to think he should reduce his contact with her and keep it just professional? She's a young girl surely she should be making friends with people her own age anyway!

OP posts:
MiddleClassProblem · 04/03/2017 19:10

but instead of asking to rearrange she just said she would come by herself! I thought that was really odd

She should cancel dinner at her friends house because her boyfriend can't come?

Seriously OP! If DH was a woman in all these situations would you really think any of them were odd?

OnionKnight · 04/03/2017 19:14

Nothing you have said about this woman and your husband strikes me as odd.

You on the other hand...

KateDaniels2 · 04/03/2017 19:16

But they're only about 50% about work and the rest are all in-joke type things.

Almost like they are friends....which they are.

I dont think he settled when ge married you. I think he married you because he wanted to.

But you will make him miserable if you try to control his friendships, go through his personal belongings, hate a lot of things about him and change him.

SumThucker · 04/03/2017 19:19

I feel pretty bad for you now OP after reading your last update. He obviously loves you to have married you.

Try to trust him more. I hope you make peace with this situation Flowers

maggiecate · 04/03/2017 19:19

Ok, having read your updates, it sounds like your problem isn't with her, your problem is with you. You've had some stuff happen that's shattered your confidence, and you're waiting for the other shoe to drop. STOP. You are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. He chose you. He married you. In 40 years he didn't meet anyone he liked enough to marry. Not Miss High Flyer, not anyone else. You.

Counselling sounds like a good idea, because you shouldn't be having to live like this, so full of doubt with no good reason. If she was a bloke you wouldn't think twice about it. You'd probably like him.

ScarlettFreestone · 04/03/2017 19:20

Talk to your DH. You'll feel better.

BBCNewsRave · 04/03/2017 19:20

SimonSmiths I'm increasingly realising that it's the NTs around me who see the world in a funny way, not me Wink

Well, exactly! But that's why I thought the friend might be on the spectrum - she sounds so pleasant and sensible! And not playing by what I thought were the NT "rules" (ime) about opposite sex friendship... But you (and others) seemed to think that was a ludicrous suggestion by a PP. Hence me now being confused about whether I'm ASD or just surrounded by people who even by NT standards are immature/odd...

[Sorry for derail... but I have noticed this on MN before. The typical/prominent worldview, preferences, standards, and ways of thinking seem to match mine, but the people I know irl are different. I find it baffling and rather upsetting that I don't know these people irl.]

icy121 · 04/03/2017 19:22

I always try to live by "don't make your problem my problem". In this case don't make your problem (jealousy, feelings of low self worth) his/your marriage's problem.

Honestly perusing this train of thought will lead to misery. There's a book overcoming low self esteem I suggest you buy it and read it cover to cover and think about doing some of the work sheets. Learning to 'catch' negative/jealous feelings and neutralise them is key here. You're fixating on the colleague as the problem, but to be brutally honest, the problem is almost certainly coming from within.

Work on yourself. Remember your good points, engage in self-validation. It will make you son much happier - and able to be happy for your husband to have a good mate & colleague.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/03/2017 19:27

He works abroad a lot so couldn't come- but instead of asking to rearrange she just said she would come by herself! I thought that was really odd

The only odd thing is you thinking it odd. You have really weird ideas about relationships - you don't become a conjoined twin when you get a husband or a boyfriend. 

FatherJemimaRacktool · 04/03/2017 19:27

I'm having serious trouble making that add up. Universities have minimum study requirements for a PhD. If she finished at 23, she would have to have started a PhD at 20. Unless she's Scottish and did no MSc (do any universities allow students to bypass masters-level? None that I know) that's not possible. Fair enough if you've altered details for privacy OP, but otherwise someone in this scenario is having a laugh.

SpreadYourHappiness · 04/03/2017 19:30

The way you talk about your DH's "childish" and "weird" hobbies is really nasty. These are things he loves and that make him who he is.

Coming to dinner on her own is fine; she's a long time friend.

Also, the fact that half their messages aren't about work is also fine. Again, she's a long time friend.

All these things are normal for friendships.

GotToGetMyFingerOut · 04/03/2017 19:32

Good one op. Really good effort.

Patriciathestripper1 · 04/03/2017 19:33

I'd take a big step back and look at it again befor you damage your relationship.
She is an old freind who he works with.
If anything had been going on romantically then he wouldn't be with you he would have married her.
I don't understand why you didn't want her at your weddingConfused unfortunately you are giving her ammunition should she choose to use it, to cause a rift.
Be a bit cleverer and more accepting. It does no harm to keep one eye on what's going on but don't look for things that are not there.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/03/2017 19:33

You do a PhD in Scotland after your first degree. No need for master's level. Not sure masters level is even a thing.

SpackenDeDoich · 04/03/2017 19:35

YABVU
My closest friend of almost 18 years is male. We often meet for lunch. Go to exibitions, art shows and the theatre together. We've even gone on weekends away together. There is absolutely nothing more than a very good friendship between us.
If my partner couldn't accept our friendship it would be a deal breaker for me.

MaisyPops · 04/03/2017 19:37

Earliest you can finish a PhD is 24. 3 year undergrad and 3 year PhD direct entry. Though that would make you superhuman not to need your write up time. All my friends with PhDs did 3.5 year PhD. Some did Masters and some didn't.

MiddleClassProblem · 04/03/2017 19:38

What if she was moved up a year or two at school?

MiddleClassProblem · 04/03/2017 19:39

Playing devil's advocate

VeryBitchyRestingFace · 04/03/2017 19:39

You do a PhD in Scotland after your first degree. No need for master's level. Not sure masters level is even a thing.

I'm in Scotland. I did a Masters after my undergrad, and before a PhD. As did all the PhD candidates I know.

Not that you can't go straight into a PhD programme from undergrad, but plenty do Masters.

FatherJemimaRacktool · 04/03/2017 19:41

Masters degrees are definitely a thing in Scotland! Grin Several of my Scottish colleagues would be weeping into their Saturday night glasses of wine at the idea people don't think their departments offer Masters degrees.

It may well be different in other areas, but my (non-Scottish) university would never admit someone onto a PhD programme without an MA/MSc. Nor would any of the other univerisites I know. Would have been different 20 years ago, but definitely not now.

kali110 · 04/03/2017 19:50

So she didn't rearrange dinner?
Wth would she???
If this was a man would you be bothered? No!
Wth shouldn't she send him friendly things??
They're FRIENDS
Can you not understand this?
I think counselling would be a really good thing for you.

Wauden · 04/03/2017 19:50

I really think they definitely not having an affair, if that helps.

kali110 · 04/03/2017 19:51

I think your dh was also very nice with you not having her at the wedding.
I wouldn't have stood for that.

Gabilan · 04/03/2017 19:55

Oxbridge allow you to do an MPhil and then convert that into the first year of a PhD. Agree it's tight and slightly suss but really not impossible. I have a friend who was an early September child, was moved up a year in school and moved through the ranks very quickly.

OneWithTheForce · 04/03/2017 19:56

OP said the woman was "about" 28. She could be older.