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I never met someone from NM to discuss MN. Honest. Trump thread cont

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amispartacus · 02/03/2017 17:26

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2864604-FAKE-news-LIES-fake-lies-We-need-the-Trump-Oracle?msgid=67323987

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BiglyBadgers · 04/03/2017 08:47

NYT has a nice visual timeline of what is currently known of the Sessions Russian debacle. It lays it out rally clearly.

A Timeline of Jeff Sessions’s Trump Ties and Meetings With Russia
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/02/us/politics/sessions-russia-timeline.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Lweji · 04/03/2017 08:50

Another slippery slippery snake.

They played this game against Hillary. Accusations all over. Implications about any link.

It's biting them in the arse now. It's just a shame that they are in power now.

BiglyBadgers · 04/03/2017 08:53

Senators are on a bill hunt trying to locate the ACS replacement bill. It is like a particularly unlikely political farce.

"Thursday, Paul tried to track down a copy of the draft, but he said he was denied access to a room when aides inside told the senator there wasn't a bill to see. At one point, a GOP staff member allowed House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, of Maryland, Massachusetts Rep. Joe Kennedy and a dozen or so reporters into the room to inspect it themselves to see that it was, in fact, bill-less."

edition.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/rand-paul-obamacare-bill-search-cnntv/index.html?sr=twCNN030417rand-paul-obamacare-bill-search-cnntv0846AMVODtopPhoto&linkId=35113597

PausingFlatly · 04/03/2017 08:57

Oh good lord, definitions of meeting.Grin

When I'm at a Trump rally with thousands of people, that's a meeting with Trump - when I want to sound important.

When I'm in a room with the Russian ambassador and my own speech is less than 10 seconds, that's not a meeting - when I'm being asked if I've met with the Russian ambassador. And anyway, it was an off the record meeting-that-wasn't-a-meeting, so I can't discuss anything to do with it. BUT IT WASN'T A MEETING and was no different to saying Hi to someone you're walking past.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/03/2017 08:58

A bit of lighthearted (?) relief. The president uses tape to stick down his tie Confused

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I never met someone from NM to discuss MN. Honest. Trump thread cont
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/03/2017 09:03

Are You Ready for Trump Texts?
New York Magazine's Jake Swearingen reported something interesting on Wednesday. The federal government's Warning, Alert, and Response Network allows them to send text messages to all cell phones in the nation in three circumstances:

Alerts issued by the president
Alerts involving imminent threats to safety or life
Amber Alerts
Cell phone owners are allowed to block all messages in categories 2 and 3, but by law they cannot block messages in category 1. Which means that Donald Trump, if he wishes to do so, could send a text message to every cell phone in America at any time he wants. The texts would have to go through FEMA, who would undoubtedly try to discourage abuse of a system meant only for emergencies. However, FEMA's staff serves at the pleasure of the president, who ultimately has final say. Ergo, CNN better refrain from running stories critical of The Donald at 3:00 in the morning, or else we all might be awakened in the middle of the night. (Z)

www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Pres/Maps/Dec01.html#item-8

originalbiglymavis · 04/03/2017 09:04

If tape can't keep his tie in check what the hell does he use to affix the hamster to his head?

amispartacus · 04/03/2017 09:06

Senators are on a bill hunt trying to locate the ACS replacement bill

But healthcare is complicated Grin

I'm sure they have a plan. And the travel ban - when it arrives - will not be very similar to the previous one that was rejected - because we all know Trump wants to ban Muslims because he said so and he also said he would stick to his campaign pledges and to judge him by his actions.

Grin Hmm

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amispartacus · 04/03/2017 09:08

Imagine all mobile phones receiving a simple text:

Order 66

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/03/2017 09:16

If tape can't keep his tie in check what the hell does he use to affix the hamster to his head?

Staple gun?

I tried watching that Carter Page interview several times, but it's really glitchy - volume of demand? What I did see (the start) was striking for his discomfort, avoidance of questions and severe lack of media training/preparation. Shifty in the extreme.

lionheart · 04/03/2017 09:21

I hope this is like watching tiny little cracks in a dam appear.
Or pulling a single thread to unravel the whole garment.

Travelling hopefully and all that. Smile

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/03/2017 09:26

I know we are somewhat in an echo chamber, but the tone of the coverage people are posting has shifted since Sessions recused himself. Previously we've posted reactions like this > Shock to supine & unquestioning coverage. The links people are starting to post now seem far more questioning & the opposite of supine. Reading the article about some GOP senators starting to mumble about Trump's tax return, it seems grassroots protest at town hall meetings is having an impact. I am sure self-preservation (mid-terms in 2018) is a factore.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/03/2017 09:26

Factor!

CussingQuim · 04/03/2017 09:31

Thank you woman Smile (so, mostly dribbling BS then?)

woman12345 · 04/03/2017 09:37

Smile de nada!

BiglyBadgers · 04/03/2017 09:45

I agree spawn. I do think the tone of coverage is changing with Fox, Murdoch and some Republicans now being openly critical. It flipped pretty swiftly against Sessions and suddenly it felt like everyone was gunning for him. I think there may come a point when the GOP decide that Trump is more of a hindrance than a help. They are helping him stay because they want to get their pet policies through, but if they keep being seen to support him when it become undeniable that he is currupt or in with the Russians they risk losing their own seats and destroying the republican party for years to come.

Some of the republicans calling for tax returns feels like it might be a precursor to this critical point being reached. I expect when it does happen it will be swift and brutal, as it has been for Milo Yiannopoulos and Sessions.

Lweji · 04/03/2017 10:00

I think I've said it before, but GOP can't get rid of Trump while he has a fair amount of support. Despite his low ratings compared with other presidents he still has about 40% of people who approve of him.

I think GOP are letting him sink and positioning themselves to eventually provide an alternative. Or Trump stops trying to control GOP and becomes more Presidential and GOP malleable.

cozietoesie · 04/03/2017 10:11

I'm not sure what your point is in your post at 07.54, Cussing? Did you confuse me with someone? Smile

PausingFlatly · 04/03/2017 10:20

If anyone's concerned about media plurality in the UK, you might be interested that Murdoch is having another crack at taking over Sky TV.

This is the bid quietly dropped when he was in the spotlight for phone hacking.

Now the noise has died down, he's having another try.

There's a petition to ask Karen Bradley, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, to refer the bid to Ofcom for an independent investigation.

speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/1705

Ensuring media plurality is part of Ofcom's job: they really should be looking at this. And the referral has to come through Bradley.

lionheart · 04/03/2017 10:26

Yes, Murdoch believes is he is on safer ground again with the election of Trump and because people forget.

I reckon he is wrong on both counts.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 04/03/2017 10:33

Thanks for the heads up about Sky & Murdoch, Pausing. Will follow that one up.

Lweji · 04/03/2017 10:39

From Nixon's Watergate: "It's never the crime, it's the cover up."

"But there is one big, dispiriting difference between the scandal unfolding now and the one that unseated Nixon. Four decades ago, Nixon was forced to resign because Republicans in Congress deserted him. [...] This time, the picture is very different."

"Sure, Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham vow to hold Trump to account. But the rest of them are profiles in moral weakness, prepared to turn two blind eyes to the actions of the president simply because he wears the right party colours."

"But we can’t just point the finger at, and pray for the downfall of, Donald Trump. He is merely the face of a deeper Republican malaise. The hypocrisies he embodies extend far beyond him."

"It’s natural to direct our fury at Trump and to want to see him gone. But it was the wider American right that, over more than two decades, feasted on bigotry, ignorance and contempt for science, facts and the compromises required by democratic governance – it was that right that incubated Trump and Trumpism. If impeachment and removal from office are ever to be more than a fantasy, it will be Republicans who will have to make it happen. And that will require them to do more than change a president. They will have to change themselves."

The Guardian. Jonathan Freedland

Lweji · 04/03/2017 10:44

Meanwhile ever blonde Patriot Barbie

"Kellyanne Conway: 'alternative facts' was my Oscars blunder"

"Senior White House adviser says media should have let her ‘brush off’ mistake, equating it with the best picture award going to the wrong film"

It wasn't a mistake dear. It was an intentional cover up of constant lies.

New version: "“Well,” she said, “it was alternative information and additional facts."

Because that's SO much better. :)

And the responsible people for the Oscar's blunder have been removed from future Oscar organizations. Just saying.

amispartacus · 04/03/2017 10:57

The author Mem Fox on her trip to the USA where she got detained.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/in-that-moment-i-loathed-america-i-loathed-the-entire-country

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