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To think DD's punishment from PE teacher was draconian?

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moonlightshadow1 · 01/03/2017 17:15

DD is in Year 10 and came home quite annoyed about a punishment she got in PE for something very minor in the first place. Her teacher made her get changed into her PE kit at lunchtime (without any tracksuit in the cold wet weather), and run laps around the football pitch for all but the last 15 minutes of the break (so she could eat), much of it whilst the boys were having football practice, who apparently found it quite funny. Is it overreacting to think this is a bit out of order? I might not have been surprised when I was at school but I can't help be a bit annoyed, seems a bit like it was intended to embarrass her and unnecessary.

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MrsGuyOfGisbo · 02/03/2017 20:58

Low level disruption is the worst. Nothing too horrible nothing too rude just constant off task chatting, talking over you, chatting when they should be working in groups etc
This.
I feel sorry for the lovely kids who work hard, are polite, pleasant, really want to learn, but are constantly disrupted by the 'lippy' disruptive lids who waste everyone's time. A lesson usually has maybe 50 mins ( PE 40 with changing etc), so less slightly more than an average of a min teacher's attention per kid but in reality much less, and if that is monopolised by the lippy kids, the nice ones lose out.

Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 20:59

"everyone thinks they're an expert on schools" I have not said once I was an expert on anything. I said this one punishment was unfair and OTT.

Teacher should absolutely be supported. I have supported the teachers at my dd's old school a lot. The assumption seems to be if you don't agree with everything you must agree with nothing, that is not true.

But our first job as parents is to be there for our kids, not to stop them ever being punished, but to make sure that they are receiving fair treatment, IMHO.

"Parents are my biggest stress without any doubt - bigger than OFSTED, paperwork, workload. The shit that parents have put me through in the past 15 years is untrue." THIS is very sad and very wrong, but I would hope (as you sound very nice and kind) that you would be sensitive to body issues for teenage girls and not single them out for potential ridicule in this way because you were upset by a comment.

"We do them no favours fighting their battles for them." If school seek to disempower them, we may need to empower them. I think we are discussing two different issues from two totally different sides. i have seen the harm school does to some, you have seen the harm done to some by others. I don't want to waste your time arguing with you. I honestly respect good teachers and I don't wnat to stress you out, you won't convince me of the error of my ways. All the best. Thanks

FrancisCrawford "Actually italian it was more a case that he was chosen to do this. he was resresenting his country at international level, you see." So utterly unrelated to punishment at all. But good on him all the same, hope he won. Thanks

Now I mus go because I can't be bother to argue the toss and the washing up needs doing, and if i do not do it maybe DH will make me run round the garden in my underwear!

Night all Thanks

OP PM me if you wish to, all the best.

SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 21:00

You are not a teacher Italian thank god so what is a silly harmless comment to you can actually disrupt a whole lesson. Do you think its ok that other children lose out because of one silly girl?

As for the the lippy girl comment. Her own mother is the one that called her lippy so why is it wrong for me to repeat it?

No not a teacher but i am a parent and i teach my children manners and to accept consequences of their actions, good and bad.
Unlike you who appears to teach your child to disobey the rules not accept what they deserve and to lie. Nice.

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 21:01

She disrupted the lesson once, at the start. Bored and fidgeting a bit isn't disrupting the lesson, she was sitting quietly, at the side, away from the class, does it really matter or distract anyone if she stretches her legs out a bit? It's fine that she was seated at the side, obviously there's nowhere else she could have been told to sit where the teacher could keep an eye on her. She was told to sit still, but could hardly be expected to sit absolutely still and not move an inch.

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Originalfoogirl · 02/03/2017 21:01

Laughing at the assertion that you have the whole story because you told her you would talk to her tutor. Like that makes a difference. My sister was constantly calling her son out because she would ask him to give her the whole story before she went to the school to talk about it, only to spend the meetings feeling like an idiot when they told her what actually happened.

Also find it telling that she's not embarrassed by telling fart jokes at 14 years old, but is humiliated by having to be punished for it.

"I better not see you move or hear another peep out of you all lesson, is that understood?" then proceeding to show her up again in front of the class (first time deserved) was a bit harsh, as well as what followed.

So she was warned not to fidget or talk, she did and was further punished. What's wrong with that?

It is becoming clearer that, actually, you just think she shouldn't have been punished very much at all.

eveningshadow
I agree, but I was referring to earlier posts blaming the OP for the girl's behaviour.

SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 21:02

Aww leaving so soon Italian.

FrancisCrawford · 02/03/2017 21:03

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 21:04

Originalfoogirl she was told not to move or talk, she didn't talk, and moved slightly, hardly a disruption. Not really worthy of being made a show of in my opinion, I can't see why it is?

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Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 21:04

Sookies your rude comments thanking God I am not a teacher just show how very unwilling you are not to engage with any view that is not your own (on this thread at least). I have not been rude to any individual (intentionally) and I am flabbergasted how keen you are to defend his unknown teacher and to chase off my opposing view.

Calling someone else's child 'lippy girl' seems rude to me. You've reduced her to this one thing. Actually it all sounds like a massive storm in a fart filled tea cup!

I don't think this is what education is about. Insults!

FrancisCrawford · 02/03/2017 21:06

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Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 21:06

Sookies I am sure you have masses to teach me. Maybe I will pop back later but you now... washing up.. dh... garden underwear punishment! Wink

Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 21:07

PS if you did not mean the 'lippygirl' comment rudely I take back my comment in relation to it Sookies I want to be fair and not OTT!

Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 21:08

Francis "Would you say the same about a lone boy running near a group of girls?"

Yes, if it bothered him.

Bitofacow · 02/03/2017 21:08

Italian you suggest it was an 'innocent' comment. Fart jokes are NEVER innocent in schools. Everybody in the school knows that. Very, very basic rule of school life.
If you ignore a fart joke you may as well paint a target on your chest.

Be in no doubt, fart jokes are about power and who controls the class.

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 21:09

I said it's not surprising she fidgeted a bit rather than sit absolutely still with her legs crossed for the whole lesson. As she wasn't talking or creating a disturbance it could have been ignored, as her only "offence" there was uncrossing her legs, which is hardly major and I can't see why so many think it was?

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FrancisCrawford · 02/03/2017 21:10

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ManOfKent · 02/03/2017 21:10

Question is.... will she learn from it? Was it an effective punishment even if Mummy thinks it's harsh?

A lack of respect and an inbred sense of entitlement is ruining our kids. Thank the school for taking appropriate steps to punish her, because she'll be a better person for it.

And you'll have a better daughter if you don't let her know that you're up in arms against the nasty teacher.

Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 21:11

Bitofacow I cannot see that this one bodily function has the power to bring down Ofsted! And it was an observation not a joke. Maybe she was genuinely struck by it. I, too, have a strong sense of smell.

MaisyPops · 02/03/2017 21:11

moonlightshadow1
I know you say you are supportive of teachers dealing with disruption but you minimised your kids actions and seem more bothered on trying to find an angle yhay makes the teacher look bad.

For what its worth, ive had many a call/meetings with lovely supportive parents to chat about issues and a fair few times theyve been devestated to hear that the version they were told by their child (whilst plausible) was not the whole and accurate picture. Those lovely parents are great and we chat, get to the bottom of it and move on.
Sadly there are also some who come in all guns blazing about how unfair school is to their child. Those conversations are usually a little more interesting shall we say.

Call the school, be fair and open minded and im sure theyll be receptive to a chat.

SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 21:12

Oh dear you can dish it out but not take it. Typical.

As for unwilling to engage i have twice now engaged with you and addressed points you have raised.

You've reduced her to this one thing.

Not at all her own mother called her lippy. So it really was the OP that reduced her to that.

I am not defending the teacher. I am defending the punishment. It was appropriate considering the DDs bad behaviour.

Why are you defending an unknown lippy badly behaved teenager and chasing off my opposing opinion?

As for I don't think this is what education is about. its about learning not fart jokes dont you agree?

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 21:13

MaisyPops I think you said you were a teacher in this thread? If so sorry it seems that way. I don't want to do that and wasn't trying to, I think the teacher was right to punish her, she made an immature comment, but I am unhappy about some of what then occurred. I will be talking to her form tutor tomorrow as well.

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Italiangreyhound · 02/03/2017 21:13

Francis Fab Wink

ManOfKent
"Question is.... will she learn from it? Was it an effective punishment even if Mummy thinks it's harsh?"

yes, she will learn girls who express he tiniest of opinions get to run around in their PE kit next to the boys! nice

"And you'll have a better daughter if" This all sounds very 1950s, I cannot believe education is all about beating the fun out of kids!

Oopse, must not get sucked back in.......

SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 21:14

Pp was to Italian

SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 21:18

Oh my god!! Ha ha ha.

You really are grasping at steaws now Italian she wasnt made to do laps just because she was a girl. She was made to do them because she was badly behaved.

She was not expressing an opinion she was playing class clown.
As for running around in PE kit in front of boys. She is in a mixed school her PE class where she wears PE kit has boys in it. Also the football lads were not drafted in just to watch her run. They had a preplanned training session meaning DD was only there because she got herself in to trouble.

SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 21:18

straws