To think DD's punishment from PE teacher was draconian?

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DD is in Year 10 and came home quite annoyed about a punishment she got in PE for something very minor in the first place. Her teacher made her get changed into her PE kit at lunchtime (without any tracksuit in the cold wet weather), and run laps around the football pitch for all but the last 15 minutes of the break (so she could eat), much of it whilst the boys were having football practice, who apparently found it quite funny. Is it overreacting to think this is a bit out of order? I might not have been surprised when I was at school but I can't help be a bit annoyed, seems a bit like it was intended to embarrass her and unnecessary.

I am 'extra' and 'super harsh' according to my kids and rule with an iron fist. I have to otherwise they would walk all over me.

I'm 'extra' too. But sometimes I is also 'sick'.

She made two comments at the start of the lesson which were stupid, that doesn't mean she can't be trusted to run around a pitch, which her PE teacher was checking she was doing anyway. "Disobey yet again" suggests she disobeyed more than once, the disobedience was making an immature comment then another one when told to be quiet. Yes, bad behaviour the teacher shouldn't have to put up with (and didn't).

Sookies as I said I told her to tell me in full now with the awareness I'm talking to her form tutor soon and will bring this up, so I got more detail such as what she said etc. I've said the teacher was largely right but in some ways in my opinion (and that of admittedly a minority of others here) wrong.

Not sure how many laps of the field she had to do, but she's certainly running rings round you, OP.

Irvine I got more detail and a full story having told her I'd be talking to her form tutor and that I'd bring it up (not to back her up either).

You have HER full story.

Chicken, just like the army . Schools need to instil a level of discipline or NO learning would get done. Some of these precious little snowflakes are going to get the shock of their life when they hit the real world, or is mum going to speak to their boss too?

For the last time, PHONE THE BLOODY SCHOOL! Sorry but to suggest you are more interested in the opinion of a 'girl of a similar age' than the actual teacher's version of events..... WTF? Why are you still posting if you have no interest in what actually happened?!

Interestingly, my Y11 DD agrees with the the punishment given by the teacher and said 'if she has been lippy twice, she deserves the punishment, why should my lesson be always disrupted by (won't repeat the words)'.

I suspect this won't agree with your thinking OP, so you won't reply.

I've one Y12 and one Y11, they would be facing the consequences of their actions at school without intervention from me, unless they were physically beaten or something totally ridiculous.

Maybe OP doesn't want to talk to the teacher because she doesn't want to hear anything which contradicts DD version of events.

You cannot possibly be sure of her version of events. Please trust me when I say even the 'goody' kids embellish and generally try to BS sometimes. You don't actually know what she said at all do you?

ItShouldHaveBeenJingleJess I've said I spoke to her telling her I expect the full story including exactly what was said and I'll be taking to her form tutor about it. I then got more detail and a full story, so whilst I am going to mention it I do feel that I've got it now seeing as she knows I'll bring it up with her form tutor.

I think we have very low expectations for teenagers in this country in terms of behaviour. IMO it is one reason why children from migrant countries are shooting up the league tables and are disproportionately represented in terms of their academic achievements in relation to indigenous working class children. Our expectations ought to be higher.

The concept of the behaviourally challenged teen is a relatively romanticised and to a certain extent, media projected, concept. Every television soap features teenagers in some sort of behavioural angst or crisis.

If teachers are confronted with rude teenagers and put effective disciplinary methods in place to prevent further disruptions, then undermining them by complaining over a justified punishment, just results in an atmosphere where students learn to disrespect teachers.

Why should children who want to learn have to put up with their lessons being disrupted because one child refuses to behave?

Needastrongone she was lippy once, after being told to be quiet making a stupid comment. Did your DD know the entirety of the punishments? Fair enough though that she thinks it's acceptable as most do.

Crystalgall I believe I do now, it changed from "a bit of messing around" implying others were involved to a more detailed account.

Oh yeh and the number of times I have to tell kids 'sit up/it's not bedtime/don't put your feet on the chair/legs go under the table etc.

Kids are wriggly jiggly slouchy beings.

I would so be the one saying 'I told you to cross your legs'. Clearly I am evil

You are so convinced the punishment was harsh then own OP.
Speak to the PE teacher. Tell them you though the punishment was harsh tell them why and tell them what DDs version of events was. Then listen to theirs.

You may find they differ greatly and your DD is not as honest as you think.
Or you will be correct and you get an apology.

I also think it best to confront the teacher and get her version.

Crystalgall yes, kids fidget and move about. Fair enough to tell her to cross her legs but would you have made a point of doing it again in front of the class like that? "And how did I tell you to sit?" Etc?

Why don't you tell us the comments she made?

Confused. She 'made a silly immature comment, then made another one, and was to to sit to one side'? She's answering back OP.

To my own DD's mind, she just wants to get on and learn. Your DD is inhibiting this. That's thoughtless to her classmates and friends. She might have had a punishment, which you may or may not agree with, but the time taken out of the lesson is the same for ALL the pupils in that lesson.

It's GCSE's next year no?

Agree with sookiesocks. If anything the PE teacher did was 'too harsh' other members of staff would be onto him. If you speak to the teacher, he should be able to give you his version of events and his reasoning.
'low level disruption' disrupts other's learning and this is probably not a one off. I am sure she has been warned a few times and if she has not responded to other forms of correction it is at the discretion of the teacher to find other ways of dealing with it.

I remember having to do this at school and it taught me a bloody good lesson. It was shit !

Er how can I not tell her in front of the class??

Is a teacher meant to take a kid outside every time they need to be reprimanded so poor bubs doesn't get embarrassed. I've got a job to do you know.

Of course I tell her off in front of the other kids. I do that every day!

Aisha i said get you me bag off the table

Sarah stop talking now

Kate pay attention

Alice what did I say about what would happen if you did that again? That's 5 minutes at lunch.

Marsha do you want to miss lunch then? Happy to see you do the work then if you like. (Always a swift no miss)

That's what being in the classroom is like. Yes I would say it to her gasp gasp in front of everyone. Why do you keep making this big point of in front of everyone? It's so bizarre.

Getting told off in front of your peers is not meant to be a nice thing.

They were lining up to start PE and she exclaimed that "ew it stinks in here" to her friend (but on pressing she admitted loud enough that everyone could hear, which was obvious), the teacher then told her to be quiet and she unfortunately replied "but miss it really stinks, smells like the last class were farting". Totally immature yes, probably happy she got giggles from her mates.

Needastrongone GCSEs next summer yes. She did answer back and that was rude, I can see where your DD was coming from but to be made a show of, insisting she sat cross-legged, made to run laps for most of lunch in front of the football team?

'Made a show of' that sums up your attitude. Unbelievable.

Oh god OP. I wish you could spend one bloody day trying to teach 30 14 year old kids. You would fall on your arse.