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To think DD's punishment from PE teacher was draconian?

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moonlightshadow1 · 01/03/2017 17:15

DD is in Year 10 and came home quite annoyed about a punishment she got in PE for something very minor in the first place. Her teacher made her get changed into her PE kit at lunchtime (without any tracksuit in the cold wet weather), and run laps around the football pitch for all but the last 15 minutes of the break (so she could eat), much of it whilst the boys were having football practice, who apparently found it quite funny. Is it overreacting to think this is a bit out of order? I might not have been surprised when I was at school but I can't help be a bit annoyed, seems a bit like it was intended to embarrass her and unnecessary.

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Bitofacow · 02/03/2017 07:57

Sparkle the teacher DID put her in lunchtime detention! As it was PE she misbehaved in it was PE she did in her detention.

Good grief, it's not hard to understand.

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 07:57

I probablyshouldn't have written "a minor issue" or words to that effect in the first place, I was writing in a hurry doing other things too and it came across I was minimising the behaviour. I know what she was saying which I didn't exactly at first and she was being immature and silly and I support the teacher punishing her for that. The tracksuit was because it was cold, she didn't know at that stage where she'd be having to do laps or that there would be football practice going on on the pitch she had to do it around. It "changed" from the boys "laughing" to the comments because she told me at first they were "laughing at her" then told me a bit about what was said. I still think it was perfectly possible to have her run laps around a pitch which wasn't being used and it was needless to force her to run around that particular pitch, struck me as an unnecessary addition to a punishment. As for no sanctions at home, no neither her father nor I think that's necessary as she's been punished at school and is generally well behaved. As for "she's probably disrupting other peoples' learning constantly" on what basis do you say that?

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Freddorika · 02/03/2017 08:01

As for no sanctions at home, no neither her father nor I think that's necessary as she's been punished at school and is generally well behaved. As for "she's probably disrupting other peoples' learning constantly" on what basis do you say that

Punishment at school = punishment at home here

I am amazed you cannot see why being lippy and hogging the attention of the teacher (because that's what it is, attention seeking behaviour) might impact on the other students. Sheesh.

Deadsouls · 02/03/2017 08:05

Posters on this thread are really out of hand. Comments like 'she should've come home ashamed of her behaviour' and the like. Ridiculous. We're not in the 70s. I don't think the punishment was commensurate to the behaviour. Maybe a detention etc. But to me it's clear that this was an obvious attempt by the PE teacher to single out and humiliate. And most probably counterproductive.

Deadsouls · 02/03/2017 08:06

I really think pp vent out their spite on these threads. Coming out with things they'd never say in RL.

Freddorika · 02/03/2017 08:07

I am cheered by the majority of comments on this thread. Maybe parents now think disruptive kids in class are more of a threat to their dcs education than a PE teacher trying to do her job.

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 08:07

I don't think it's necessary to punish her at home for something she's been punished twice for at school. That response was to the suggestion she's "constantly" disrupting other students from learning which I'd have thought would be flagged up by other teachers or her form tutor if she was.

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Sparkletastic · 02/03/2017 08:08

By lunchtime detention I meant the general one that takes in most schools in a classroom. The double punishment was OTT

Good grief not hard to understand. Hmm

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/03/2017 08:09

As for "she's probably disrupting other peoples' learning constantly" on what basis do you say that?

You really can't see why your DD behaviour causes disruption to the class?. It's attention seeking.

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 08:12

PigletWasPoohsFriend yes she was being annoying and disrupted the class in this instance so she was made to sit it out by the side. I meant there's no basis to say she "constantly" does this which implies she's regularly doing it in lessons, I'm certain she isn't.

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Freddorika · 02/03/2017 08:13

which I'd have thought would be flagged up by other teachers or her form tutor if she was

Yeah, that would have been the punishment, the flagging up

Freddorika · 02/03/2017 08:13

Oh there's no hope. Hopefully she's learned her lesson.

Bitofacow · 02/03/2017 08:18

Sparkle she couldn't behave in PE. So she missed PE. So she did her PE at lunchtime. You don't get to pick and choose the punishment you want that is the nature of punishment.

Deadsouls · 02/03/2017 08:19

Amazing really how others judge other people's parenting by their own, as though their way is the 'right' way, therefore, why don't you do it? No body cares. PP saying, 'you should've done this at home', 'you should've done that', I'd take that with a pinch of salt.,
OP - you know your daughter, you know your family, you know your home, you know your dynamics so you do the best you can.

ItShouldHaveBeenJingleJess · 02/03/2017 08:20

I'm genuinely a bit worried about the fact you still want advice but are unwilling to phone the school. If I was concerned about DS, I absolutely would. You're allowed - you're her parent. I know a lot of Mumsnetters get a blasting if they describe themselves as non-confrontational, but it does sound as though you have a lot of doubts here, whether regarding the punishment or your daughter's honesty. Can I ask why you won't contact them?

ConsideredThought · 02/03/2017 08:21

They do up to 2 hours of pe detention at my dc school funnily enough they have improved behaviour at the school. I'm all for it

Brilliant. Just brilliant!

Pseudonym99 · 02/03/2017 08:21

DD is in Year 10 and came home quite annoyed about a punishment she got in PE for something very minor in the first place. Her teacher made her get changed into her PE kit at lunchtime (without any tracksuit in the cold wet weather), and run laps around the football pitch. Is it overreacting to think this is a bit out of order? I might not have been surprised when I was at school but I can't help be a bit annoyed, seems a bit like it was intended to embarrass her and unnecessary.

You are overreacting. What was she actually wearing if it wasn't a tracksuit? And why was it embarrassing?

Deadsouls · 02/03/2017 08:21

bit actually I disagree with your assertion 'that's the nature of punishment'. The OP wasn't actually saying that she wanted her DD to pick or choose her punishment. The question is actually whether the punishment was commensurate to the misdemeanour, which is clearly a subjective opinion.

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 08:22

Deadsouls thank you. I know, contrary to what many think, she's generally well behaved. I also know she was immature and annoying in PE and deserved to be punished for it, which she arguably was twice. If she did something I considered (very) serious at school she'd be punished for it at home but with something like this I don't think there's any need (especially when I have issues with aspects of the punishment anyway which I haven't said to her, I demanded she tell me exactly what she did etc then didn't back her up complaining about the teacher to her).

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Vegansnake · 02/03/2017 08:24

That was a punishment designed to humiliate...I hope you complained

Pseudonym99 · 02/03/2017 08:25

That was a punishment designed to humiliate...I hope you complained

What is humiliating about doing PE?

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moonlightshadow1 · 02/03/2017 08:25

Jess I'm not contacting them because to her I've backed up the teacher and don't want to undermine that, plus with the volume of people who think it was all fair enough, don't think it's worth actually contacting the school over when generally I've had no issues with the school and nor has she. I'm not totally happy about certain aspects of the punishment but have decided it's not worth contacting the school over, the comments are the only things I'd want to but she certainly doesn't want me to.

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SookiesSocks · 02/03/2017 08:25

Where does the double punishment come from Confused

She was punished once for being lippy/taking/messing about and made to sit still out of the lesson. The second punishment was because she couldnt sit still/fidgitting so again took the teachers attention away from the class.

She was punished twice for misbehaving twice. The running laps was physical excersise which as far as i know is a major part of PE, the lesson she missed out on because of bad behaviour.

Gumps · 02/03/2017 08:28

As a former PE teacher, I would imagine that the reason she had to run around the field that the boys were playing football on would have been so that the teacher could supervise both her and the boys at the same time. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if she had been sent off somewhere on her own.

fairweathercyclist · 02/03/2017 08:29

I don't think it's necessary to punish her at home for something she's been punished twice for at school

Me neither unless it's something really serious like violence, which this was clearly not.

Would posters on here expect the school to punish for bad behaviour at home?

What is humiliating about doing PE

Find a lady who has gone out running on her own, especially, but not limited to larger ladies, and ask them about the abuse they receive from men. Then read this thread and see the point about boys laughing at the OP's daughter and then consider if your point is well made. It wasn't a PE lesson, it was lunchtime. I'm not saying the PE teacher intended the OP's daughter to be humiliated, but she needs to understand that was the outcome and that it is not helpful to give girls in particular PE as punishment when boys are watching. If someone is disruptive in class, you follow the discipline policy and impose an appropriate punishment.

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