To think DD's punishment from PE teacher was draconian?

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DD is in Year 10 and came home quite annoyed about a punishment she got in PE for something very minor in the first place. Her teacher made her get changed into her PE kit at lunchtime (without any tracksuit in the cold wet weather), and run laps around the football pitch for all but the last 15 minutes of the break (so she could eat), much of it whilst the boys were having football practice, who apparently found it quite funny. Is it overreacting to think this is a bit out of order? I might not have been surprised when I was at school but I can't help be a bit annoyed, seems a bit like it was intended to embarrass her and unnecessary.

cantstandme and FrancisCrawford, she felt being made to sit by the side of the class in full view cross-legged and then being told off for after a while uncrossing her legs (whilst still staying seated and silent) and made the focus of the class again during the lesson embarrassing and like a small child because she was being told exactly how to sit and not allowed to deviate from it. I can't see why it was so important for her to sit cross-legged as long as she was stopping being disruptive which she was. I'm not saying she should have had to stay for an hour after school, no.

I doubt anyone on here could sit cross legged for that lengh of time without moving.

Is it a good school op? How is bad behaviour dealt with in general?
I honestly think it sounds like the teacher was trying to humiliate your dd somewhat and that to me is a sign that she can't control the class effectively. If your happy letting it go, fair enough. I'd definitely have a good read through the behaviour policy though.
Was there anything in her planner, regarding the bad behaviour in class?

OnHold very true. It's natural to fidget and sitting cross-legged for half an hour without moving isn't exactly easy.

Emboo it is a good school and I've never had any major problems with it at all. I've never heard of anything I've had a problem with in how bad behaviour is dealt with before, and would usually always side with the school (and still am as far as DD is concerned).

This is the thing. Respect is earned. How does it promote respect if you hand out humiliating punishments? It promotes fear, fear to be held upto ridicule, fear to be embarrassed in front of your peers...but not respect. Sorry but you always remember a good teacher and those teachers have engaged pupils. Whose purpose does it serve to have a 14yr old sit out for a lesson crossed legged at the front or have her run round the pitch for 45 minutes. Yeah it punishes her: she doesn't want to do it and has been humiliated. But do you honestly think that will make the other pupils sit up and take note etc...sorry I get that we don't have all the facts or particulars etc. This teacher might just be fed u of telling the same people the same thing over and over and I get that, but when someone who is supposed to be a professional stoops to humiliation to meet an objective sorry but as an adult I wouldn't have respect for them.

The girl was told to sit cross legged because she couldn't join in the lesson without being cheeky. A very simple instruction. All she had to do was be quiet, cross her legs on the side and wait for the teacher to tell her she could get up at the end of the lesson. Instead she couldn't even be bothered to cross her legs for the time she was told to forcing the teacher to again inconvenient everyone just to tell her to cross her legs AS SHE HAD ALREADY BEEN TOLD TO DO. Then the girl complains she's being treated like a little child after acting like one

Sorry I'm on my phone and it appears to have changed some words...but I think you get my thoughts

Gildedcage thank you for your post and yes I completely understand your points.

FrancisCrawford and cantstandme, she did as she was told and sat on the side, by in full view of everyone I meant everyone could see, but so be it, the teacher had to keep an eye on her and so she had to be there, I was just explaining why she found it embarrassing, which I understand whilst thinking the punishment was fair enough and understanding why the teacher told her to. Still she sat quietly and the teacher didn't really have to make a point of making her cross her legs after she stopped even if I haven't told her that.

Again this is being turned in to something it wasn't.

The issue of the tracksuit ought not to be about whether she was allowed to 'cover up' to protect her modesty from boys but keeping warm. However if she was running laps she would have been fine in tshirt and shorts. Standard at my DDs school for running in winter.

The boys comments and the Ops daughter's feelings regarding them shouldn't be a factor in judging the teacher's choice of detention activity.

I agree with siding with school for the most part. It could have been that your dd was pushing her too much and she's wanted to make a point with her punishment. But being a teacher doesn't mean they're always right or even fair.
I'd probably have a word with your dd and encourage her to try extra hard to behave in Pe and to put the incident to one side. And just keep a eye on things!

Maybe if she hadn't behaved like a spoilt madam she wouldn't have been made to do laps afterwards. If she'd sat cross legged as told she'd probably have been let off after that with a warning but she decided she was too grown up for that

I expect most pupils think the teacher is a bit of an idiot.

The only way to find out exactly what happened is to phone the school. You don't have to mention the boys' alleged comments if DD has asked you not to, but I think it's OK to ask whether the punishment was appropriate or not.

FrancisCrawford I'm explaining why she found it embarrassing and think it makes sense she did even if the teacher was perfectly within her rights to make her do it. I agree she should have been embarrassed to be talking when the teacher told them to be quiet. "She couldn't even manage to sit still" is exaggerating a bit, the teacher didn't really have to stop everything to make her sit how she wanted her to, she was sitting quietly on the side which she was told to do.

However if she was running laps she would have been fine in tshirt and shorts. Standard at my DDs school for running in winter.

Doesn't matter whether she was fine in t-shirt and gym skirt. In fact it doesn't even matter what the DD motive was for asking to wear the tracksuit. According to op The school require the tracksuit be bought as part of required pe kit so why should the teacher care whether she wear it or not if it's part of the regulation kit?? What were the teachers motives?

Still if your DD had not been gobby in the first place there would have been no punishments at all.

Its strange how certain details have changed throughout the thread

Where does it say the DD was gobby?

She wouldn't have had to run laps at all if she'd done something so simple as sit on her bum with her legs crossed and keep still. Something even a "little kid" could do if told but she thinks somehow is an offence for her to be made to do

she was sitting quietly on the side which she was told to do.

And you know this as fact then? Or is it what your lippy already in trouble daughter told you?