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To think that we don't need a London Modest Fashion week??

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Cherrysoup · 18/02/2017 09:42

Given that we're not living in the Victorian era?

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Lessthanaballpark · 19/02/2017 18:43

Oh just my own experience of people regarding fashion as trivial and criticising women for their vanity.

Whereas men's sports are kind of worshipped.

A concrete example was when Reeva Steenkamp was murdered by Oscar Pistorious. A lot of people mourned the loss of athletic talent and saw her as just a model.

I don't care for fashion myself but that is probably because I have neither the money, time or creativity to do so. And I enjoy being scruffy.

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Cherrysoup · 19/02/2017 19:08

What Derek said - there's a large community of orthodox jews in Gateshead and the common outfit among the women is nothing like that. Think stereotypical librarian, even among the teenage girls - sensible, not tight fitting, below knee skirts and flat shoes. Most of the women wear wigs, which covers the keeping hair covered rule. Navy blue is the base colour of most outfits. No bright colours

Yet the men wear black suits.

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TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents · 19/02/2017 20:53

A lot of women's status is determined by the status of their husband and their ability to keep him depends on things like their sexual services to him at night in bed, whether they stay thin, if they are nice to him etc etc. If instead you eaern the same or more than your man then everything changes and is better. If instead you provide those domestic services in return for being kept you are basically owned by a man surely?

This has go to be one of the most offensive posts I've ever seen. Where are all the people so het up about a word like modest, who should be all over this misogynistic claptrap?

muhajaba · 19/02/2017 20:59

A lot of women's status is determined by the status of their husband and their ability to keep him depends on things like their sexual services to him at night in bed, whether they stay thin, if they are nice to him etc etc. If instead you eaern the same or more than your man then everything changes and is better. If instead you provide those domestic services in return for being kept you are basically owned by a man surely?

Are you on glue?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/02/2017 21:02

Yes it is. I have taken issue with an earlier post by this poster and her sanctimonious clap trap.

GrommitsEarsHurt · 19/02/2017 21:23

EnormousTiger - I'm sorry, did you really mean to imply that I, along with other SAHMs, am a whore?

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents · 19/02/2017 21:25

A whore AND a possession.

OopsDearyMe · 19/02/2017 21:29

No because if we really respected ourselves we would have fashion that didn't mean we had to flash our bits to impress anymore ! Shame really I quite like the Victorian clothing! Its wonderful to see this event is happening , abt time !

PacificDogwod · 19/02/2017 21:31

EnourmousTiger is rather taken with her own earning power and she has form for such statements.

The thread has rather moved on from a discussion over the various implications of the word 'modest'... ConfusedGrin

PacificDogwod · 19/02/2017 21:32

And I cannot spell 'Enormous' - not sure what that makes me Blush

Ordinarily · 19/02/2017 21:36

OK, so if it isn't based on religious ideas of "modesty", how many modest mens garments are going to be in the show?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 19/02/2017 21:41

Aren't fashion weeks just to display the upcoming trends for the next season? Like a live catalogue

I was giggling over pictures in the Graun of different styles in the actual London fashion week. I especially liked the hoop skirt made of wood. I was thinking when I looked at it that if that becomes a trend that it would make rush hour on the tube verrrrrrry interesting.

Re earnings, etc. ... As an older feminist who saw the end of the hey day of the second wave I learned exactly how vulnerable women without their own income were. I still see this on the Relationships forum here. That's different from self-worth, but it is what inspired me to never rely on a man for my daily bread. I have met a number of women who have boasted that they don't 'have' to work because their husband brings in copious amounts of money. I think they feel sorry for me, but I don't envy them in the least!

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents · 19/02/2017 21:45

OK, so if it isn't based on religious ideas of "modesty", how many modest mens garments are going to be in the show?

Womens fashion shows of any kind don't tend to have mens garments in, but in most cultures where the women are expected to dress "modestly" there are also rules for male dress (a point which is often ignored entirely). These are also imposed against mens will sometimes (the Taliban forcing young men to grow beards and measuring them in public to ensure they follow rules, for example)

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents · 19/02/2017 21:46

I learned exactly how vulnerable women without their own income were. I still see this on the Relationships forum here

You mean some women, not all women in that situation. To be clear.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/02/2017 21:51

No because if we really respected ourselves we would have fashion that didn't mean we had to flash our bits to impress anymore !

I hope this post is intended to be sarcastic- nuances get lost on a forum.
If it isn't then it gets the same reaction from me as Enormous' po-faced one about women wasting time over trivia.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 19/02/2017 21:57

I've seen an awful lot of womens' statuses change due to supposedly rock solid relationships breaking down, or breadwinning husbands dying or becoming disabled ... I've also seen women stay with absolute bastards because they like his money, sad to say.

PacificDogwod · 19/02/2017 21:57

Anybody who is financially dependent on somebody else is vulnerable, whether they are ever in the unfortunate position to feel that vulnerability or not. Typically, it tends to be women.

'Fashion' can mean so many different things to so many different people: fun, money, power, showing belonging to a social group etc etc.

Personally, I don't follow fashion in how I dress, but I know what is going on, trend-wise. I live in jeans and some form of stretchy jersey top off duty, and smart-casual stuff at work. Most of my stuff comes from eBay and local charity shops, so ANY fashion show would waste their time if they were aimed at me. Which they are not, and that is fine.

I am sure that if I lived elsewhere in the world, I'd quite likely dress quite differently, and that is fine too.

But the above comment about not living in a vacuum is very true - and fashion does not exist in isolation either, modest or not.

piginboots · 19/02/2017 22:03

PacificDogwod no one (well, not me at least) is saying there aren't advantages to earning a high wage. Just that it's not something to base your self worth on.

LimeySnickett · 19/02/2017 22:06

There is nothing immodest about fashion week. Nothing at all. What is wrong with theee people? Bodies are beautiful and not modest or immodest. If I see a nipple on the catwalk I don't see it as being tittilating. It's ART.

PacificDogwod · 19/02/2017 22:07

Totally agree with you there, piginboots.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 19/02/2017 22:14

It would be a terrible thread drift ... But what should women base their self worth on? We've been told we should base it on our bodies and 'looks', (somewhat related to how we dress and thus fashion) on what our husbands' do (what man we catch) .... Mine is related to my career accomplishments and to some degree my earnings, just as men's always has been. I don't give a fuck about fashion, apart to hope desperately for long lasting clothes that are comfy! I don't think either fashion week would provide these for me.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 19/02/2017 22:29

Can you tell any one what their self worth should be based on - other than all humanity has worth and it is whatever makes you feel good about yourself?

For me my son, my degree, my career in a sector which was male dominated when I joined, a public profile in that sector (admittedly a very niche pool) and last but definitely not least my clothes and style. I've always been interested in clothes and design.

I can't abide the sneering that goes on in MN about this- as if it were impossible to be serious about life/ work/family and clothes.

Theresa May for example has in her career has worked out a quirky , individual style (not just her shoes) as has Nicola Sturgeon. Perhaps Enormous could lecture them to them to?

muhajaba · 19/02/2017 22:36

My self worth is based on my relationship with God

piginboots · 19/02/2017 22:51

I think intrinsic self worth has to be with being human, and therefore as good as, and no better than, anyone else.

In terms of what I'm proud of - my attempts at being kind and working for the public good (not that I always succeed, of course!)

TheWinterOfOurDiscountTents · 19/02/2017 23:31

I've seen an awful lot of womens' statuses change due to supposedly rock solid relationships breaking down, or breadwinning husbands dying or becoming disabled ... I've also seen women stay with absolute bastards because they like his money, sad to say

And yet you've never noticed the many women in perfectly good, equal relationships where it all works perfectly well and everyone is happy and equal? It's almost as if you have some bias there.....