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It's a bigly Trump thread. Another beauty. But you don't need to know what's in it. I don't have to tell you. So there.

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amispartacus · 16/02/2017 22:37

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2855213-You-can-read-this-thread-anywhere-Even-in-a-Florida-resort-Its-a-secure-thread-Trump-cont

There was a press conference. It was interesting.

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GingerIvy · 18/02/2017 18:03

I also think that he's grooming Ivanka to follow in his footsteps. He appears to have more faith in her business than his sons (who he doesn't mention much). I suspect that she is much more like him than is shown publicly.

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2017 18:03

Trump's dream day:
a day in the life of louis xiv en.chateauversailles.fr/discover/history/day-life-louis-xiv

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2017 18:06

Except for this bit obviously "Five or six ministers worked with the monarch, who spoke little, listened closely, and always made the final decision."

That should read "Five or six ministers worked with the monarch, who spoke constantly, listened to nobody, and always made the final decision."

Roussette · 18/02/2017 18:06

Across yes your DH is totally right. I knew someone like this. He always had to win, always had to be right, even when he wasn't. He was vile. Winning was everything.

Roussette · 18/02/2017 18:08

Good analogy Bigly. Yes to holding court at his golf place. He probably cracks jokes, his court laugh even if they dont find it funny. He preens and pumps himself up, then back to the proper WH

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2017 18:14

US Ambassador Gives 'Make Somalia Great Again' Hat to Somali President Because America Has Become a Parody of Itself
gizmodo.com/us-ambassador-gives-make-somalia-great-again-hat-to-som-1792513302?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Yup, you remember right, Somalia is on the immigration ban list. Confused

cozietoesie · 18/02/2017 18:17

Why do they have an Ambassador there, Bigly?

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2017 18:21

Poll: Americans want Democrats to work with Trump
thehill.com/homenews/news/320229-poll-americans-want-democrats-to-work-with-trump

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 18/02/2017 18:35

I also think that he's grooming Ivanka to follow in his footsteps. He appears to have more faith in her business than his sons (who he doesn't mention much). I suspect that she is much more like him than is shown publicly.

If he's a proper raging narc like everyone assumes, she's probably the golden child in Don's eyes. However, am I right in thinking that religion plays a big part in the suitability of US presidents? Would Ivanka's conversion to Judaism be a problem for the electorate, most of whom (as far as I can tell) would identify as Christian/Catholic? Has there ever been a Jewish US president? (I can think of Disraeli here.)

cozietoesie · 18/02/2017 18:36

It's a difficult decision for everybody, Bigly. People want some normality in their lives. There's only one problem.............

CussingQuim · 18/02/2017 18:37

My computer's throwing a fit over adverts and refusing to open that link Bigly, could you repost the stats?

cozietoesie · 18/02/2017 18:38

Sorry. That should have said: 'There's only one immediate problem......' (There are actually a great many problems.)

ZebraOwl · 18/02/2017 18:45

Not entirely sure whether or not am actually awake with these posts on some of latest Trump!antics, notably hat.

The suggestion Trump dreams of Louis XIV-ing it up = v unsettling, whether I'm awake or asleep. Nooooo to a Trump Grand Levée. No. Even with it having been established he does indeed own a dressing-gown. Nope.

Trump's got an arrogance even beyond the Sun King (bet he's jealous that NN's gone) & his ilk: he thinks he plays in those [big] leagues of [near] absolute power & being a quasi-divine creature of fascination, whom people adore & will swear fealty to etc. Of course, he doesn't understand how kingship [of that sort] actually worked, he just sees the shiny things & wants those.

If Trump were King, he thinks he'd be Donald the 1st/Donald the "insert flattering & catchy nickname here". He'd find himself "Donald Trump, that man of blood" -in about two minutes instead. Hopefully his Presidency will be brought down by the proper mechanisms soon as his utter lack of suitability for the role & wildly inappropriate behaviour surely aren't sustainable over the length of a Presidential Term...?

And now I think I'm either going to go back to sleep, or possibly to wake up, depending on which I am at the moment. All these children who can't make their own fun just need a ridiculously high temperature & they'll be set. Might be some logistical/safety issues there, I admit. Meh.

BiglyBadgers · 18/02/2017 18:47

Here is the text from that article on the poll. It's kind of epic, but thought it was easier to post the lot then pick bits out.

"A strong majority of Americans say Democrats should look to cooperate with President Trump to strike deals, according to the inaugural Harvard-Harris poll provided exclusively by The Hill.

The survey found that 73 percent of voters want to see Democrats work with the president, against only 27 percent who said Democrats should resist Trump’s every move.

The findings are significant as Democratic leaders in Congress are under growing pressure by their liberal base to obstruct the president's agenda. The poll shows the party is divided on how to deal with Trump: 52 percent of Democrats polled say they should cooperate with him on areas of agreement and 48 percent saying they shouldn't.

Those figures are nearly identical when the question is flipped – 68 percent of those polled say that Trump should be willing to compromise and find ways to work with Democrats in Congress. Thirty-two percent said Trump shouldn’t bend at all, even if it means finding ways to achieve his agenda without congressional approval.

Republicans are similarly divided here, with 48 percent wanting compromise and 52 percent saying Trump should be unwavering.

“This shows that voters want Trump and Democrats to compromise and if they don’t, they both may pay a heavy price with the electorate,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the Harvard-Harris poll.

The Hill will be working with Harvard-Harris throughout 2017.

Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) has said he’s hopeful he can work with Trump on issues where there is bipartisan overlap, like on trade, infrastructure spending, rebuilding the nation’s inner cities, and closing the “carried interest” tax loophole.

The chances of bipartanship this year appear dim. More than 60 House Democrats boycotted Trump's inauguration and GOP leaders in Congress don't anticipate much, if any, help from the other side of the aisle.

While liberals are furious at the Trump administration for ramping up deportations of illegal immigrants, some Democrats were encouraged that Trump this week struck a softer tone in discussing children brought into the country illegally through no fault of their own.

However, Trump’s broader agenda of repealing the Affordable Care Act, slashing spending, rolling back regulations and cracking down on immigration are anathema to Democrats, who are growing more entrenched in opposition to the president with each passing day.

Conversely, Trump has been frustrated with the Senate for the slow pace of confirmations for his Cabinet nominees. The president feels Democrats are out to sink key figures in his inner circle, such as former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who resigned this week amid controversy. Trump’s pick for Labor secretary, Andy Puzder, also withdrew his nomination this week under fire from Democrats and some in the GOP.

Trump and his team feel under siege by civil servants and many in the Intelligence community, who he blames for damaging leaks meant to embarrass and undermine his administration.

Still, a majority of Americans – 50 percent – said they believe Trump will be effective in implementing his agenda, against only 40 percent who said he would fail.

While Trump entered the White House with a historically low approval rating, leading many Democrats to question his mandate to govern, the Harvard-Harris poll put him at a respectable 45 percent favorable and 51 percent unfavorable.

Forty-eight percent said they approve of the job Trump is doing, compared to 52 percent who say they disapprove.

Trump has a better approval rating than Republicans in Congress, who post a 43-57 split, or Democrats, who came in at 41 positive and 59 negative.

The online survey of 2,148 registered voters was conducted between Feb. 11 and Feb. 13. The partisan breakdown is 39 percent Democrat, 30 percent Republican, 27 percent independent and five percent other."

It's a bigly Trump thread. Another beauty. But you don't need to know what's in it. I don't have to tell you. So there.
Lweji · 18/02/2017 18:49

Poll: Americans want Democrats to work with Trump

That's only because Republicans always think they are right, and uncompromising, and Democrats are mostly for compromise.

I do think that at some point Democrats should become intolerant to intolerance, though.
I mean, work with GOP for lesser environmental protection, for less protection for savers and small investors, for damaging the public school system?
It's fine to assess their proposals for their own merit, but not compromise for the sake of keeping things smooth.

BarbaraManatee · 18/02/2017 18:50

Has anyone watched the Nazi programmes on iPlayer? The similarities are so concerning that I'd suggest the only way to watch it & not be terrified for the world is to turn it into a drinking game.

We did have a giggle at one point though - when someone referred to Hitler's voice as being "scratchy". Our kids have been taught that saying offensive things is like scratching someone's feelings so they call offensive words "scratchy words". Whenever anyone mentions Trump the DC break into their little ritual where one says, in pantomime style outrage, "Trump?! Trump says scratchy words!" & the other chimes in with "If Trump says scratchy words then he shouldn't be the president." At just 5 & 3yo I'm pretty chuffed with the political opinions they're forming from listening to me rant.

cozietoesie · 18/02/2017 18:52

I think, Bigly, I'd want to know what questions were put to those surveyed?

EP doesn't appear to 'do' compromise. (The interesting stat when things were 'flipped'.) he wants to WIN.

GingerIvy · 18/02/2017 18:53

THIS is what I think of when I see Trump.

Lweji · 18/02/2017 18:54

US Ambassador Gives 'Make Somalia Great Again' Hat to Somali President

How much of a twat do you have to be?
I thought he was a new Trump appointment, but no. Maybe he's trying to ruin it for Trump.

cozietoesie · 18/02/2017 18:55

It's the WH attempt at humour.

Lweji · 18/02/2017 19:14

Donald J. Trump ‏*@realDonaldTrump* 6 h
Don't believe the main stream (fake news) media.The White House is running VERY WELL. I inherited a MESS and am in the process of fixing it.

If he says it three times in a row, it will become true. Maybe. We'll see.

But I suppose it's true. The White House is still standing, so he hasn't completely ruined it yet.

GingerIvy · 18/02/2017 19:22

Oh good grief. Trump is asking for donations at his campaign rally - TO FIGHT THE MEDIA!!!!

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 18/02/2017 19:24

This Wikipedia list shows that every US president except Lincoln (religion unspecified) has been Christian of one flavour or another.

cozietoesie · 18/02/2017 19:24

He has to nominate some kind of target. They drew the short straw, I guess.

counterpoint · 18/02/2017 19:24

What a mass of fake news, all in one place!