To think my Dad has been radicalised?

[Februaryrat]

My Dad was a teacher back in the day. A Guardian-reading, mostly apolitical teacher.

He has a (hate to use the word) redneck friend in the USA whom he Skypes regularly, and whom I believe has radicalised my Dad. Over the last three years, my Dad now believes:

• Climate change is a hoax (obsessive hatred of windfarms)
• Hilary Clinton is a murderer
• Brexit is the way forward because some of "them" (mostly Romanians when pushed) are committing 70% of offences around here (they aren't) and the press isn't allowed to report on nationality of offenders (they are)
• The NHS is being brought to its knees by health toursits
• Trump is a businessman who is likely to give the USA exactly what it needs, and will be re-elected to great acclaim at the next election.
• The Mexican wall is a good idea
• Why don't more Muslims condemn terrorist attacks?

I am a hard-left feminist, who is finding it harder and harder to have conversations with him that don't end in mud-slinging.

His "source" of news is often what I would consider to be conspiracy websites. I am willing to accept sources of news from anything I consider reputable - and would consider any mainstream media including (spit) the Daily Mail, but the websites he comes up with seem to me to be run by nutters spouting nonsense.

As a previous teacher in a subject where critical thinking and reading was key, it astonishes me that he isn't able to see past the bullshit - but perhaps he thinks the same about me in my left-wing bubble.

Anyone else's parents been radicalised? Any hope, or do we just have to stick to conversations about the weather now? Shit, we can't even do that because of climate change.

My beautiful white grandmother married a black man in the 1940s she didnt have an issue

I'm sure they shared a similar culture. A proportion of the BME population voted out. Those who shout racist fail to recognise that a lot of supposed racism is about culture not colour.

Not sure how it's ageist at all

Then we differ.

What on earth does voting out have to do with racism and prejudice? And shared culture of a white English woman in 1940 to a black carribean

Your link to that is ridiculous. Please explain with your experience/understanding.

Yes we do differ. A change in politicak leaning as one ages has been documented through the centuries. That is not ageist. It's observation. Younger geberating frustration also

Generation

do you realise that it was the first British newspaper to properly report on the sex attacks in Cologne 2016 while the Guardian was fannying around, choosing its language carefully and trying not to describe the perpetrators. DM continues to report on the rapes of boy and girl children in the swimming pools of Europe by the recently-arrived.

Yeah, I wonder bloody why. But when it reports on a white British father murdering his wife and kids, the price of the house is the main focus of the article.

What on earth does voting out have to do with racism and prejudice?

And shared culture of a white English woman in 1940 to a black carribean

Yes, shared culture. As compared to other more recent immigrant cultures. Basing it on my own family and community experience my friend.

SansComic

To be fair to my dad, I think he said it jokingly. The dentist did fuck up a few times and read x-rays wrong, stuff like that.

My dad isn't completely insane, he just jokes that he changed dentist because of that reason.

Just like he didn't really stop shopping at Morrisons because they used Take That music in the adverts and he refuses to give money to Gary Barlow by shopping there

Thank you for the Hillary info.

I'm not getting it yet. How do you write in someone else's Affidavit? There are rules about that sort of thing.

As for Monica, if someone had an affair with my husband I think I would use far stronger language than that!

JustAnotherPoster00

Apologist was perhaps the wrong word. I'm not sure what the correct one was though.

Hillary smears Gennifer Flowers, a women Bill would later admit to having an affair with, as “some failed cabaret singer who doesn’t even have much of a résumé to fall back on.”

"I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Hillary wrote in the affidavit about the 12-year-old girl."

"Hillary reportedly threatens Juanita Broaddrick, Bill's alleged rape victim, into silence at a political fundraiser after the accused rape."

^The New York Times recently reported that, by some accounts, Clinton gave the "greenlight" to hiring a private investigator who collected disparaging accounts from ex-boyfriends and others who knew Flowers and then provided these stories to news organizations.
Internal campaign memos unearthed by the Times describe the aim of the work of the hard-nosed investigator was to "impugn" Flowers' character, "until she is destroyed beyond all recognition."^

"Hillary Clinton did call Monica Lewinsky, who had an affair with her husband, a "narcissistic loony toon."

"Bill Clinton entered into an $850,000 settlement with Jones, an Arkansas state worker who alleged that in 1991, he propositioned her and exposed himself. We have not uncovered instances of Hillary Clinton directly attacking Jones after she filed suit in 1994. But Jones recently told The New York Times that after her lawsuit, "they sent out people to dig up trash on me."

Perhaps, 'has stood by her very unsavoury husband who at the least abused his power coercing women into sex and at worst raped" would have been better...

You have my sympathy. One of my parents used to share my (very liberal) political views. But since us children moved away and parent retired and began spending all their time with the other parent and an aunt and uncle with dubious ideas said parents politics have shifted completely - towards intolerance and such... and don't get me started on their choice of newspaper now. I'm sure you can guess. I find it really disappointing. I love both my parents very much but was able to put up with nonsense when it was only one of them spouting it. Now it's both I find them hard work :(

Look your father is entitled to his views, your entitled to yours. I can't stand these far lefties who think everybody who does not agree with them is wrong and brainwashed. Mabey yiur the one who is!

I do worry how far right we're lurching to the right now though. I didn't like Cameron but now he's left you see just how much he'd kept the rabid far-right of his party in the fringes, because it's suddenly turned into UKIP but with all the power.

Theresa May pushing through laws snoopig on everyone's internet and criminalising whistleblowing is something you expect of North Korea, not a supposed democracy.

Surely he is entitled to his views, just as you are to yours. I cannot stand corbin or his views, but that doesn't make me, or him a bad person

I must say, the fact that me (left wing) and my colleague (centre-right - used to vote Tory but is now without a party because they've gone too far right for him) both think the BBC is biased against us shows that they're probably actually being quite balanced in their coverage.

I do think they've been a bit too nice with UKIP though - they seem to spend more time having a go at Corbyn than some of the terrifying things UKIP are saying/doing.

Hillary is for Hillary. End of.

Why ShoutOut - thought that was obvious. Those tragedies are occasional and are very much connected to the dynamics of that family. The types of sex attacks I am talking about (taharrush) is a cruel rape game endemic in non-European cultures, and of course women out in public at night in European cities 'deserve it' according to that culture. Also, children are for the taking because it is not uncommon back home.

Imagine the terror of this woman.
www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b3_1452930332

Look your father is entitled to his views, your entitled to yours. I can't stand these far lefties who think everybody who does not agree with them is wrong and brainwashed. Mabey yiur the one who is!

Her father believes that:

• climate change is all a made-up lie
• Hillary Clinton is an actual murderer
• 70% of crime in their area is committed by Romanians

That is bollocks. It's not being the meanie thought police to point out that bollocks is bollocks, really it isn't.

Yes, her father's views sound quite extreme!

I bet a lot of these people are watching and reading Alex Jones/Infowars.

Look your father is entitled to his views, your entitled to yours. I can't stand these far lefties who think everybody who does not agree with them is wrong and brainwashed. Maybe your the one who is!

THIS ^ from aeroflotgirl.

Sick to death of lefties assuming every opinion that doesn't coincide with theirs is 'wrong.' And everyone who voted brexit is a thick, racist, bigot. As I said earlier, I find the far left lefties, far more irritating than the far right people. They are often quite sanctimonious and can't bear it when people don't agree with them. Twitter is full of them. Just because someone has right wing views, that does not mean they are wrong.

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I agree to an extent, but there are these things called facts. And no matter what you say, they're not subjective.

Climate change isn't a hoax, Hillary has never murdered anyone and, quite frankly, anyone who thinks 70% of crimes are by Romanians are just plain wrong.

I'm not saying everything the OP's dad said is correct or logical; just that the assumption from people like the OP, that only they are in the right, and everyone who disagrees is a thick racist bigot, really grates on me.

I don't deny that sexual assault is horrendous, terrifying and traumatic. I just don't think the Daily Mail are reporting on them out of concern for justice on behalf of the victims of sexual assault.

Especially when their sidebar of shame regularly features underage girls 'flaunting their curves'.

There are different political views, agreeing to disagree etc, and there are racist / bigoted / wacky views and people who can't seem to stop themselves espousing them to close family who they know dislike it.

OP is talking about the latter.

BabychamSocialist:
I'm pretty sure that well over 70% of the crime in Romania is committed by Romanians.
Age makes us wiser and wealthier, that's why we move politically from the left to the right.
Mainly left wingers just want to steal the money others have worked for.