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This thread will see you in court.Again. Trump watch

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amispartacus · 12/02/2017 09:00

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2850730-She-was-told-to-be-quiet-Nevertheless-she-persisted-Trump-cont

I wonder when this thread will fill up.

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Lweji · 13/02/2017 11:50

Why good people do bad things

I think these two may apply to Abu Ghraib

The pressure to conform.The pressure to conform is powerful. When a group engages in unethical behavior, individuals are far more likely to participate in or condone that behavior rather than risk standing out.

Obedience to authority. It’s quite difficult for most people to ignore the wishes of those in authority positions. People also feel like they’re less responsible for wrongdoings if they act under the direction of someone else. Both of these reasons explain why employees are likely to act out the unethical wishes of their supervisors—and feel far less guilt than if they had decided to do it themselves.

It doesn't really excuse the people who tortured, but it certainly puts a lot of responsibility on those in charge, as well as on regulations and inspections.

The danger is that when your President tells everyone openly that he thinks torture is effective, then you feel justified in using it.

BiglyBadgers · 13/02/2017 11:51

I think we have talked about May's personality before, but I do think she seems to have an 'I know best' thing going on. This is demonstrated in the court case around article 50, the sudden halting of the Dubbs route, her attitude to Trump and again with this whistleblowers report. She comes across as finding the whole process of democratic systems tiresome and infuriating, as if she feels she should just be allowed to get on with things without this annoying need to consult or vote on things. The wheels of government can be slow and overly complicated, however I find her obvious impatience with the whole business deeply worrying in the current climate.

amispartacus · 13/02/2017 11:55

The wheels of government can be slow and overly complicated, however I find her obvious impatience with the whole business deeply worrying in the current climate

Her whole attitude in PMQs is disturbing - I wish we had a decent opposition and a more balanced press.

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amispartacus · 13/02/2017 12:07

Some valid points

www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/opinion/sunday/husbands-are-deadlier-than-terrorists.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Last year Americans were less likely to be killed by Muslim terrorists than for being Muslim, according to Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina. The former is a risk of approximately one in six million; the latter, one in one million.

Above all, fear spouses: Husbands are incomparably more deadly in America than jihadist terrorists.

And husbands are so deadly in part because in America they have ready access to firearms, even when they have a history of violence. In other countries, brutish husbands put wives in hospitals; in America, they put them in graves.

Yet Trump is raging about a risk from refugees that seems manageable, even as he talks about relaxing rules on another threat, guns, that is infinitely more lethal.

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cozietoesie · 13/02/2017 12:19

He's still living in the Wild West where men doffed their caps to 'good women' before circling the wagons to stave off those 'pesky Apaches'.

Deejoda · 13/02/2017 12:19

But ami Scrotus doesnt want valid and sensible well-reasoned arguments. He wants to win bigly. Get ratings. Be the best showman. Never mind that this is not the Apprentice and real lives are being affected.
Bigly Back in the UK our favourite PM is wanting to bring in much harsher sentences for government whistleblowers
This has been on the Tory agenda for a while. A junior Dr called Chris Day has been fighting for whistle-blowing protection for junior Doctors in the courts for the last couple of years. The HEE/DoH doesnt want doctors to call out the dangerous practices happening as the NHS becomes more and more broken. Until Mid-Staffs happens again.

cozietoesie · 13/02/2017 12:21

In fact, if I were SNL, that's the sketch I'd go for. Smile

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 12:21

CBS News ‏*@CBSNews* 1m1 minute ago
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PM Trudeau and Pres. Trump will participate in a roundtable discussion about women in the work force on Monday cbsn.ws/2kBScUq

Trudeau will be discussing equal pay issues, while Trump will be demanding they wear heels and short skirts. Hmm

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 12:24

Trump seems to divide women into two categories... those you cheat on and those you cheat with.

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 12:27

is it just me or does Miller seem to be dead in the eyes. He's just .... empty. No conscience, IMO.

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 12:32

CNN International ‏*@cnni* 32s33 seconds ago
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China has condemned North Korea's test of a reportedly new missile, more than 24 hours after news of the launch cnn.it/2lAZrA3

amispartacus · 13/02/2017 12:36

Monday
Week 4
Trump's awake...

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cozietoesie · 13/02/2017 12:36

That's positively........studied, Ginger.

amispartacus · 13/02/2017 12:38

China has condemned North Korea's test of a reportedly new missile, more than 24 hours after news of the launch

I bet the Glorious Leader had loads of people congratulating him and telling him how big it was and how much power it had. The crowds were waving and cheering and then he tweeted about it.

It's a shame the NK leader isn't on twitter. I bet he'd be as good as Trump.

Now there's an idea...

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amispartacus · 13/02/2017 12:40

I suspect this is a parody account

twitter.com/DPRK_News

"Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un delivers candy and similar treats to delight of grateful children"

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amispartacus · 13/02/2017 12:42

Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un, as is well known, possesses firm and manly handshake.

Cowardly block-head Donald Trump holds his tongue regarding latest advancements in ballistic science, as predicted by Marshal Kim Jong-Un.

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Lweji · 13/02/2017 12:43

is it just me or does Miller seem to be dead in the eyes

At least one eye seemed dead.

But he seems as efficient and emotional as a Stepford husband (remember that the alpha female's husband was a robot).

Lweji · 13/02/2017 12:46

I suspect this is a parody account

Yes, because there's no internet or Twitter in NK.
Also, the two at the bottom, particularly the second, are good clues.

I love these:

DPRK News Service ‏**@DPRK**_News 15h15 hours ago
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Citizens reminded: Those caught preparing satiric or ironic floral arrangements will be dealt with mercilessly.

DPRK News Service ‏**@DPRK**_News Feb 11
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Rumoured dismissal of Arsenal Football Club manager Arsene Wenger causes unknown London man to disfigure himself in bizarre protest.
(see fig)

This thread will see you in court.Again. Trump watch
peaceout · 13/02/2017 12:48

Yet Trump is raging about a risk from refugees that seems manageable, even as he talks about relaxing rules on another threat, guns, that is infinitely more lethal

I think he could emulate Duterte and progress to encouraging US citizens to dispatch those that he has demonized

Lweji · 13/02/2017 12:50

I think he could emulate Duterte and progress to encouraging US citizens to dispatch those that he has demonized

Of course, it would work both ways...

cozietoesie · 13/02/2017 12:51

I don't think so, peace. He doesn't want inner-city problems.

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 12:56

AFP news agency ‏*@AFP* 2m2 minutes ago
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Donald Trump hosts Canadian PM Justin Trudeau - trade, immigration will be main talking points u.afp.com/4GQN

peaceout · 13/02/2017 13:00

More guns will lead to more shootings, then more guns will be needed to protect people from all the people with guns

If scrotus relaxes gun law who will put the brakes on the pro gun lobby?

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 13:01

Canadian school board cancels student trips to the U.S. due to concerns of “safety and equity.”

www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/02/12/ontario-school-board-cancels-trips-to-us-cites-safety-and-equity-concerns.html

GingerIvy · 13/02/2017 13:03

Ok, we're due for a Trump tweet. Will he sign a new EO before or after his meeting with Trudeau??