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To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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20nil · 11/02/2017 21:43

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

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flippinada · 24/02/2017 12:48

Everything below the >> is c&p from the Guardian's blog.

teawamutu · 24/02/2017 12:56

ada ShockAngry

flippinada · 24/02/2017 13:11

It's just awful, isn't it? There's an interesting section on the blog where Labour voters (and former Labour voters) in Copeland give their views.

Link here for anyone who's interested: www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/24/stoke-and-copeland-byelections-corbyn-allies-blame-disunity-for-labours-historic-defeat-politics-live

Schadenfreude bonus: Farage having a tantrum over the election result in Stoke.

WhirlwindHugs · 24/02/2017 13:16

It's exactly as this thread predicted but sad all the same.

They're talking anout sweeping social change taking time on the radio. Yes it does - once you are in power! If you're not getting votes there's been no change has there!

Elendon · 24/02/2017 13:18

What get's me is that he said 'We are a campaign party' No Labour is not a campaign party. We should be ruling this country to make it a great place to live post Brexit. If you can't be leader step down now Corbyn.

Most Tory MPs want to remain in the EU, lest we forget. How they square that circle is up to them.

Elendon · 24/02/2017 13:21

He is unable to give up his principles as a campaign party leader, unlike those Tory MPs who are Remoaners but choose to carry through their leader's wishes.

Somehow politics is based on principles for the opposition but when it comes to those who lead it's all about government and not Parliament.

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20nil · 24/02/2017 13:25

Serious question: what can we do? This stubborn, unreformable and incapable man is destroying our party while the NHS collapses and a plague of homelessness expands in our cities. The very poorest are suffering the most while JC tends his aubergines!

What can we do?

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Elendon · 24/02/2017 13:37

It's an impossible situation 20nil, it's like he is part of the establishment.

A reformation of New Labour is needed. And I know that this will bring scorn from the mainly right wing press in this country, but at least it will show a vibrant opposition, even if it is within the ranks.

Elendon · 24/02/2017 13:39

UKIP is a 'campaign party'.

DrDreReturns · 24/02/2017 13:45

He said they are a campaign party? That basically means he has no ambition to be in power!

birdsdestiny · 24/02/2017 13:46

I don't think there is anything we can do. Just hope that there is a split within the party and corbyn and his friends bugger off one way, the rest go the other. It is devastating that my very best hope is a split. I don't even think that Corbyn going is a result anymore, he would be replaced by John McDonnell so what is the point.

teawamutu · 24/02/2017 13:57

I'm going to join the Lib Dems.

I know it's basically pointless, but if more of us did it...

Labour can stew in their own complacent fucking echo chamber. I'll take them seriously again when they stop bleating at rallies and take government seriously again.

Step · 24/02/2017 14:01

30 years of voting Labour have ended. I've joined the Lib Dems actively now. Corbyn is a spineless clueless fool with no support from the PLP.. he's unelectable and is not providing effective opposition.

Brexit... fucking Brexit.... He is a spineless wimp

Fakenewsday · 24/02/2017 14:13

I don't know whether to remain a member or give up on labour either. And they say Blair had a messiah complex, JC gives the impression he believes he's above reproach because labour members voted for him...

flippinada · 24/02/2017 14:34

I'm staying as a member so I can vote against him in the next leadership election. If he's not gone after that, well.

I think I may actually hate him.

flippinada · 24/02/2017 14:34

Yes Fake. He's stubborn, but in the wrong way.

Fakenewsday · 24/02/2017 14:47

Hard what I concluded flippin, not giving up unless he wins another leadership election. There is no hope for labour as a governing party if that happens

oklumberjack · 24/02/2017 14:48

I honestly don't think there's anything we can do except vote for another party in 2020. The PLP have tried, labour grandees have tried forcing rule-book meetings, pleaded with them to see sense. The utter fools.

2020 will have to be written off. I'm normally vote for the Lib Dems but would love to vote labour. However I'm almost ashamed to say that my mind is open open to the possibility of voting Tory.

oklumberjack · 24/02/2017 14:50

Can you imagine the vitriol if we organised an Anti-Corbyn march?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 24/02/2017 14:58

He is unbelievably arrogant what a fucking stupid idiot I shall enjoy watching him being mocked next PM questions he deserves to be

Please do not leave the party and others please join as there will have to be another leadership challenge this year he may win but if no one challenges him we don't know

He has to be challenged again and again it's not weakening Labours chances with voters to show such disunity as the public know this we are not stupid and the vast majority reject Corbyn

I loath him and McDonnell they are equally arrogant, equally out of touch with the voters neither are principled just Corbyn comes across less aggressive but he is in a passive way

Lalsy · 24/02/2017 15:20

I am staying to get a vote next time. I think. I have never been one for saying "the party I love" or any of that, but I do feel ashamed and contemptuous of my leaders at present. And yes, I think I may hate them Sad.

Those who are leaving, will you tell HQ, your local MP, Tom Watson, anyone else you can think of, why you are doing so?

20nil, I don't know. Send HQ a link to this thread? Write a joint letter? I find it hard to get behind SavingLabour and the various RW Labour groups.

flippinada · 24/02/2017 15:20

Yes, his behaviour during the Referendum was the epitome of passive aggression. Refusing to share a platform with DC, going on holiday during the campaign..that's just off the top of my head.

To use an analogy from MN, he's like the husband everyone outside the home thinks is such a great bloke but who makes his wife's life miserable by accidentally on purpose arsing up anything he doesn't want to do. That's a bit tortured, but do you know what I mean?

teawamutu · 24/02/2017 15:53

Ada, don't forget attending a CNfuckingD rally on (iirc) the first day of the campaign...

GrimDamnFanjo · 24/02/2017 16:13

At the end of the day I think JC thinks he's right. For him it's all about the ideology which he isn't going to water down to get to no. 10.
Blair and Brown knew they had to appeal to a broader electorate, they decided that what was important was to get into power to be able to make change. JC doesn't agree with that, I see supporters banging on about his principles, I'd rather he sacrificed some for the greater good.
I'm not a labour voter, but I have many friends who are, some who have spent their entire adult life campaigning or working for new Labour. I feel really sorry for them when I look at poor selection of frontbenchers, picked for politics rather than talent in many cases.

GrimDamnFanjo · 24/02/2017 16:17

And Momentum, FFS wolves in sheeps clothing is my most charitable description.