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To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

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20nil · 11/02/2017 21:43

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

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Rugbyplayersarehot · 18/02/2017 11:13

make really seriously so you think Jeremy Corbyn can win a general election and deliver a labour victory. Yes or no?

makeourfuture · 18/02/2017 13:00

really seriously so you think Jeremy Corbyn can win a general election and deliver a labour victory. Yes or no?

I think it is going to be very hard to defeat the Conservatives this next election.

May is playing Brexit too well. I don't see an "over the cliff" scenario developing, something we can point to and say "You did this"....more of a gradual, steady decline of British influence...a long messy two years. Perhaps the public losing interest. Negotiations will be secretive and boring.

They win this election, and in the face of current economic and social realities within 10 years things will take a dark turn not seen in modern times. The people hardening their hearts further and further, blaming anyone, grasping at any straw. Allowing anything.

So no, Corbyn will not win this next election.

But again we are in strange times, something unexpected can happen at any moment. At this point I would like to see Corbyn's successor acknowledge that things must change - at least begin to work on some ideas to correct fundamentals. I will accept the holding pattern theory as long as there is just this very basic acknowledgement.

The above described dark scenario doesn't have to happen - we can make our future.It only requires will, and a true reevaluation of what makes us content/happy.

Lalsy · 18/02/2017 13:59

Make, JC did have the chance to make a plan. Richard Murphy and Danny Blanchflower both have plenty of ideas, have both written about his utter failure to capture the moment, and have had to walk away. That's one reason I think JC should go now, and give someone else a chance at at least proper opposition on hard Brexit, attacks on the judiciary, the NHS and all the rest of the immediate stuff. And I hope much more.

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20nil · 18/02/2017 19:39

Looks like this thread is running out of steam. I was hoping we'd make it to 1000 posts; first time ever for a thread I started Grin

But I wanted to say thank you to everyone who posted. It's been great to have such a civilised discussion, and good to know how many of us are desperately hoping for change in this country.

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WhirlwindHugs · 18/02/2017 20:05

Yes, thanks for starting it - It's been very interesting and lovely to not just repeating the same explanations all the time!

Lalsy · 18/02/2017 22:06

Yes, thanks all and thank you for starting 20nil. Whirl, let us know when your name is on a ballot paper....

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/02/2017 10:43

We have the by elections coming up so your thread might hit 1000

If labour win we are stuck with Corbyn if they lose he might be forced to step down even if it's just one (preferably Copeland, Paul Nuttal has dug his own grave and hopefully UKIPs)

But there should be no question about labour not winning they are safe seats or were

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20nil · 19/02/2017 10:45

Agree: see you soon!

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flippinada · 23/02/2017 12:06

I wonder if Storm Doris is going to have an impact on the turnout today?

KeyserSophie · 23/02/2017 14:33

I imagine so although hard to know in whose favour. I guess it may deter older people more than younger but also potentially people with children or those who rely on public transport.... so basically everyone except young childless people with cars and umbrellas ( helpful)

flippinada · 23/02/2017 15:16

I suspect it's one of those "how long is a piece of string" questions where it's impossible to tell.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 23/02/2017 15:27

I can't believe Corbyn supporters are making excuses two really strong labour seats

But the will and it will be down to Doris Hmm

Hoping tomorrow I shall be rejoicing in the news of Corbyn's resignation

Fakenewsday · 23/02/2017 15:30

oh if that happened tomorrow would be a great day. Not getting my hopes up yet!

flippinada · 23/02/2017 16:32

I thought Stoke had a narrow Labour majority? Or is it one of those previously strong Labour seats where they've managed to lose a percentage of their core vote?

I wonder if TH's resignation was partially from a desire to force the leadership issue.

DaffodilsAndCrocus · 23/02/2017 16:44

I think TH was thinking of his own career tbh.

flippinada · 23/02/2017 16:48

Yes, fair point!

DrDreReturns · 24/02/2017 06:51

They held Stoke but lost Copeland. He's got to go. The opposition should not be losing by elections in a traditional Labour seat at this stage of a parliament. They should have hammered the Tories in Copeland.
Thank god UKIP didn't win in Stoke though!

Fakenewsday · 24/02/2017 07:18

Yes 8% swing to tories in Copeland despite having an NHS funding cuts issue around a maternity unit that labour should've been able to hammer them on. I doubt JC is drafting his resignation letter although he should be!

NiceMoustache · 24/02/2017 07:51

Corbyn needs to go for OUR sake now. An 80 year seat. Ffs.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 24/02/2017 07:53

Yes they held Stoke but by significantly less of a majority.

MsHooliesCardigan · 24/02/2017 07:55

This is so depressing. A democracy can't work without a viable opposition. It's beginning to feel more and more like a one party state. If Labour can't win a by election 7 years into a Tory government when the NHS, schools and social care are falling apart, then they're finished. He has to go.

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20nil · 24/02/2017 08:04

FFS: the loyalists are still trying to spin this as some kind of advance. Jesus, what a disaster.

Only good news is Nuttall's drubbing.

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20nil · 24/02/2017 08:05

I'd bet a lot that JC won't be going anywhere for a while. Not until they've set up his heir. Wonder if May will call a General Election soon?

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Elendon · 24/02/2017 08:15

To lose Copeland is a disaster and should be seen as such, but already it's the fault of the PLP, who should be supporting their esteemed leader - though this hasn't translated to Stoke so it's a fruitless argument.

The Tories care little about anything but decimating the opposition, whilst at the same time moaning there isn't any. Quislings the lot of them. They sacrificed Stoke to UKIP. I hope UKIP realise they are finished. They have no remit, but at least they are open and honest, unlike the Tories.

There needs to be a coup in the Labour Party, it shouldn't be too difficult.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 24/02/2017 08:23

No resignation yet then Hmm

I have a horrible feeling he will stay he still has momentum behind him. Not sure why he is getting sympathy from some on the guardian site he is making a choice to stay no one else is making that choice regardless of what happens to the party Angry

Apparently and according to some it's all worth it in the long run that seems to be the new line from Corbyn's followers they are so fucking deluded and I don't care if they are offended by that im beyond caring about their opinions of what their messiah can do