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To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

956 replies

20nil · 11/02/2017 21:43

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/02/2017 10:18

The do look professional come across as intelligent and confident in what they are saying and from what I have seen able to handle difficult questions

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/02/2017 10:23

For what it's worth, listening to what real people in Stoke are saying I don't think UKIP will win.

I think Labour will hold it but with a vastly reduced majority.

I think they will lose Copeland though.

cowgirlsareforever · 13/02/2017 10:25

I agree Piglet

augustbody · 13/02/2017 10:29

Support your democratically elected leader. Talk him up. Tell people that he is different to the current regime and that you have every confidence in the party to make changes that work for the regular people of this country.

What the fuck? Why should we need to 'talk him up'? Shouldn't he be doing that himself, isn't that the whole point of being a leader? Surely if he needs to rely on the public to 'talk people' this and that about him, he is not doing his job properly?

The whole labour party seems to be standing by and watching the Tories decimate public services. And the only thing I seem to hear from Corbyn is the occasional rhetoric of 'ooooooh you can't do that, we need the NHS, don't privatise it' or 'we need to renationalise the railways' or 'lets help poor people, it's really unfair'. Without giving a single credible alternative to these issues that would appeal to the masses.

It's all just socialist idealistic guff. People aren't interested, that is evident. I don't think you can get round that by 'talking him up'.

Slarti · 13/02/2017 10:35

I agree as much as I hate the idea of UKIP having another MP in parliament and the leader of their party if it leads to Corbyn steppping down and Labour being able to move forward instead of backwards it's a price with paying

Jesus you really sound like you don't want Labour to win power. If you do then vote for them, not UKIP! I can just imagine some of you on here voting UKIP then blaming Corbyn for the way you voted, all the while patting yourselves on the back for being right about Corbyn being unelectable. It's madness.

Slarti · 13/02/2017 10:39

Jeremy I shall vote against my own party more than the opposition do Corbyn

How many of those votes do you actually disagree with?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/02/2017 10:40

I have looked at his voting record along with past and his connections

Again with the can't you look beyond the right wing press Hmm it's pathetic

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/02/2017 10:49

Oh now it's laughable we would vote UKIP rather than allow Jeremy to become PM

I have seen all his voting record have you ? Some I agree with others I do not but more importantly what's the point in being in a party that you so constantly disagree with - apart from being in a safe seat. His politics are far more in the Socialist Labour Party but he would never win a seat in parliament standing for them. And now he is in power he threatens the sacking of ministers of they do rebel and stand by their principles

Honestly The Thick of It couldn't have made the whole situation look more ridiculous

makeourfuture · 13/02/2017 11:08

I think a good question at this point is do you feel Labour to be a socialist party? I do.

Slarti · 13/02/2017 11:15

Oh now it's laughable we would vote UKIP rather than allow Jeremy to become PM

Well you were the one who said "a price worth paying".

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/02/2017 11:23

Have I said I would vote UKIP

it's quite clear what I said and that losing one (very) safe seat to UKIP is a price worth paying to allow Labour to move on from the mess it is in under Corbyn's leadership

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/02/2017 11:25

Labour isn't and never has been a socialist party

It was influenced by socialism and moved away from that

But it never was a socialist party there are socialist parties around

augustbody · 13/02/2017 11:28

No, Labour is not a socialist party.

If you want socialism, vote for a socialist party.

Lalsy · 13/02/2017 11:35

Who said they would vote UKIP?

Lots of whataboutery, straw men, or insults (Blairite, should be in the tories, deluded, only read MSM, lazy thinkers, mad, hypocritical) about Labour people who do not support JC on this thread.

flippinada · 13/02/2017 11:35

Another long term Labour supporter and member who is fed up to the back teeth with Jeremy Corbyn. I'm retaining my membership so I can vote against him in the next leadership election.

I think much of his support is starting to fall away as people see what a hopeless leader he is. I supported him at the start but he's just not up to the job.

Those who keep repeating the mantra that the membership elected him therefore he has popular support need to accept that the voting intentions and/or support of Labour Party Members is not reflective or representative of the general electorate.

To win an election, which it has no hope of doing at the moment, the Labour Party needs to convert blue (and even some purple) votes into Red. I know some find this distasteful but that's the reality of the situation.

flippinada · 13/02/2017 11:46

Also, having marvellous policies is all very well, but if you can't get elected, you can't put them into practice.

If you were feeling particularly cynical, you might just think that the current leadership of the LP are promising the moon on a stick because there's no chance they'll ever be called on to deliver it.

makeourfuture · 13/02/2017 11:47

But labour states plainly that it is socialist.

Slarti · 13/02/2017 11:50

Lalsy I suppose all the insults thrown at Jeremy's supporters (sorry, Corbynites) like "pathetic", "deluded" "bunch of blow ins" are ok by you.

ATEOTD he was voted in twice by huge margins. This amounts to people throwing their toys out of the pram because people didn't vote the way they wanted and they think their private club has been "taken over" by the wrong sort of Labour supporter (middle class people seem particularly hated). And yet they claim they want to attract new voters!

Slarti · 13/02/2017 12:00

the Labour Party needs to convert blue (and even some purple) votes into Red. I know some find this distasteful but that's the reality of the situation.

Only for them to be called a bunch of blow ins once we attract them. It's ironic that we've been accused of a seige mentality when that's what's coming from the old guard. Also ironic that they say Jeremy wants to remain in opposition when they are the ones refusing to support him win an election. I think it's they who want to remain in opposition so that they can say "told you so". They're so invested in being right about labour not winning an election they're prepared to help bring that about.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 13/02/2017 12:01

ATEOTD he was voted in twice by huge margins. This amounts to people throwing their toys out of the pram because people didn't vote the way they wanted and they think their private club has been "taken over" by the wrong sort of Labour supporter (middle class people seem particularly hated). And yet they claim they want to attract new voters!

The general public don't like him. He isn't popular amongst the wider Labour voters.

He won't win.

HTH

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 13/02/2017 12:07

It's pathetic that again and again those who do not support Corbyn are told to not believe all that the right wing press tell us about him

Deluded to believe he will ever be PM yes I stand by that

flippinada · 13/02/2017 12:15

Does anyone honestly believe that people from within the party (PLP and members) who are criticising JC would not support him if he proved to be a roaring success as leader?

I can't work out whether he's well meaning and inept or something more sinister.

augustbody · 13/02/2017 12:16

If you were feeling particularly cynical, you might just think that the current leadership of the LP are promising the moon on a stick because there's no chance they'll ever be called on to deliver it.

This was what the Lib Dems did wasn't it, until oooops they found actually found themselves in power, couldn't deliver on most of what they had promised and subsequently fell off the edge into oblivion!

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 13/02/2017 12:17

This thread is exactly why Labour won't be elected at the next election. Loads of squabbling, name calling and divisiveness. It's like the 70s.

flippinada · 13/02/2017 12:18

ATEOTD he was voted in twice by huge margins

Yes he was, but this doesn't matter, because he isn't a credible leader. If he can't lead the party effectively he doesn't stand a cat in hells chance of being PM.