To be ashamed of the Labour Party leadership

[20nil]

Long term member, did not support Corbyn, but even I am surprised by quite how bad he's been.

Where is the opposition? I get that Brexit is difficult, but where is Labour on the collapse of the NHS, the explosion of homelessness, the decimation of local council funding and the ticking bomb that is school funding?

Why is it that we now look to the Lords, the Cof E and petitions to be the opposition?

Shocking state of affairs.

If that had ever been true, Labour would have been in government almost continuously. Broad appeal is not a luxury, it's essential to winning elections.

No one has said the poor always vote labour

The grassroots voters when taking about the Labour Party refer to working class voters

Grassroot voting no longer applies (this changed years ago especially when Thatcher was in power) yet this term has been highjacked and used by Corbyn's spin

But never have those that are controlling the party and their leader been so out of touch with their traditional grassroot voters

Completely agree Enthusiasm. Just trying to bust that particular myth which some people can't seem to let go of.

It's amazing how many people believe that Corbyn doesn't use spin

Even after that train journey

He is so bad at spin that it looks as if he isn't doing it

My inlaws were as poor as church mice and voted Tory.

It was ever thus.

How is increased spending on social care middle-class squawking?

even after that train journey

That train journey where Richard Branson, beneficiary of the privatised railways and NHS contracts which Corbyn wants to take away, printed a random still image of an empty carriage? That one?

I think Labour will loose stoke spectacularly come the election. Wonder what JC will do then? Honourably resign as not up to the job. Don't think so.

I wonder? Lots of resources being poured into Stoke. The political landscape is such a mess at the moment that any spin could be given to the result there.

If he had a shred of humility he would piss off as would Abbott but neither care a shiny shite about the party or working people they just care about their careers. Clearly

Agree with this^.

The point is Corbyn uses spin as much as other politicians

He and his team around him came out looking like utter fools and (some) people what him and his team to run the country when they can't put over such an simple political argument

He is pathetic an embarrassment

Still waiting for information on Corbyn forcing the government to back down

That is the only upside if Labour do not keep hold of stoke is that Corbyn really can no longer hold on to his position he simply can't deny how damaging his is to the party

^^ agree it may be worth a bad result in the long run to get rid of this liability.

Oh dear if only we had a john smith in the party.

20Nil Much of Labour's trade union support came from that illiberal and nasty institution known as the closed shop. The Conservatives had their own motives for abolishing it but it's good that they did, wherever the chips fell.

I agree as much as I hate the idea of UKIP having another MP in parliament and the leader of their party if it leads to Corbyn steppping down and Labour being able to move forward instead of backwards it's a price with paying

I voted against him being leader twice - I've never thought he'd be a good leader, nice man or not.

He's proving even worse than I thought!

The Tories don't bother with this sort of back stabbing and in fighting because they all have exactly the same agenda - money. Ultimately it matters little who steers their ship because they will claim to support whoever is leader to promote public confidence something posters in this thread might pause to consider.
Of course if you don't feel JC is up to the job you will feel unsure as to whether Labour can win. But how many times do you want to reshuffle the deck? I see verh few recommendations for more suitable candidates. Will you chop and change right up until the next election? This is the way to promote doubt in floaters and the disenfranchised.
Are you not able to rally behind the leader based on the positives? People here are saying that they like his principles or that he is a nice man but that he won't win or is unelectable. This is directly sabotaging your own party and will allow another defeat.
This party is constantly shooting itself in the foot and wondering why it's hard to walk to Downing Street!
Support your democratically elected leader. Talk him up. Tell people that he is different to the current regime and that you have every confidence in the party to make changes that work for the regular people of this country. Focus on his principles or policies rather than his supposed lack of charisma, that he is not perfect in every possible way or something about a fucking hat.
There will never be a perfect candidate for most people. You have to compromise and work with the best choice on offer. Or stand yourself.
But to say you can't stand him - that of course you 'are' Labour but won't vote for them based on the current leader or might begrudgingly vote for him if you have to is not going to convince anyone else.
This party shouldn't have to resort to Tory/Trump tactics to win because our policies are actually based on some semblance of truth but perhaps we could learn to add a little bit of positivity to the cause rather than constantly tearing it down.

Absolutely Ruby!

Politicians are politicians are politicians.

Instead, get the philosophy right. Formulate strong policy. As best you can hold the politician of the day to these.

Mmm I have recently seen these new tactics from Corbyn supporters to get behind him manipulation of if you really want Labour in power

Yet we are accused of being stupid and manipulated by the right wing press what we are so foolish we can't see past this

The Tories do fight between themselves but to be in power is the ultimate aim I don't think Jeremy I shall vote against my own party more than the opposition do Corbyn can really pull the wool over the eyes of the majority of voters they have the intelligence to see that he isn't a leader, he would rather be in opposition and fighting against for the sake of his so called principles but politics is far more complex than that

And people know he lied throughout the Referendum if they didn't know about his past this for many people is when he lost his position of being a man of principle

I personally think Keir Starmer would be a really good choice at the moment or Dan Jarvis both names have been mentioned on here

I won't rally behind a man who told his own female MPs that the best thing to do with abuse is ignore it. I won't rally behind a man who had to have Hamas' founding charter read out to him at the select committee in the summer before he could bring himself to say that yes, it is an anti-semitic organisation. I won't rally behind a man who called for the immediate triggering of A50 on June 24th. I have my principles too and while I may well vote Labour, I cannot in good conscience persuade others to with him in charge. I wish I could.

Which is why I would love to hear from JC supporters about the campaigning they have been doing and the doorstep responses they are getting.

Are you not able to rally behind the leader based on the positives?

No I really can't

HTH

I personally think Keir Starmer would be a really good choice at the moment or Dan Jarvis both names have been mentioned on here
They look good on TV.

What a load of rubbish MrsRuby Do you really think people give a shit about his fucking hat? He is a poor leader, a poor communicator, he has little experience of people's lives beyond the M25.

For what it's worth, listening to what real people in Stoke are saying I don't think UKIP will win. I'm not sure about Leigh. UKIP have already organised themselves there and have stalls in the town. They'll have a few weeks head start on Labour. I don't think Labour actually now care what happens in these towns.

Jeremy I shall vote against my own party more than the opposition do Corbyn

Was he right when he voted against the benefits while other labour mp's abstained, was that ok?

Look at his voting record not the media trope of him

www.theyworkforyou.com/mps/

I can't think of a leader or potential leader of any party, that I would trust to run a village fete let alone a political party or the country. They come across as self serving ad fake who get swayed by opinion polls and social media. I feel totally disenfranchised and as a natural lib dem, I'm in the margins politically anyway.