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To ask you to help me argue with an anti-vaxxer on fb

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 11/02/2017 21:24

I know, I know. But it's Saturday night, DP is out and I am just home whilst our (fully vaccinated!) DD is asleep.

What do I say to someone who is convinced that we should all do our own research, that vaccines are only about big pharma making big bucks, and that the govt hushes up vaccine damage??

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CoteDAzur · 13/02/2017 21:18

"testing for rubella immunity on the NHS has been stopped"

That sounds tough, for those of you on the NHS. Thankfully, I'm not.

Testing for Rubella immunity should be routine if the aim is indeed to prevent babies born with Congenital Rubella Syndrome. Out of curiosity, why was this test stopped on the NHS? It is standard in France. As soon as you find out that you are pregnant, you are sent for a blood test with a long checklist including HIV, toxoplasmosis, and Rubella immunity.

CoteDAzur · 13/02/2017 21:26

"horribly selfish attitude. Urgh, how can anyone think that way?!"

Bless Smile Is it news to you that a mother will prioritise the well-being of her child over the needs of faceless strangers?

Grow up, buttercup. There isn't a single parent on Earth who does not think first and foremost of her own child. Neither is there a single parent who would unnecessarily vaccinate her child, for the benefit of others.

The only reason it is happening is because Rubella is lumped into MMR (which is now considered standard lest you be judged as an "anti-vaxer") and because most people aren't aware that it is of no benefit to their babies and is done for the good of some hypothetical pregnant girl somewhere.

Rockpebblestone · 13/02/2017 21:41

But when I looked for single vaccines for mine, admittedly over a decade ago, my research informed me they were all now 'unlicensed' here. How do you ensure the safety of single vaccines? That is they are from a reputable source and the carrier solution does not contain nasty additives?

This is what convinced me to go with the MMR. I thought it was the lesser of the known evils tbh.

bumbleymummy · 13/02/2017 21:44

The manufacturer of the dingle measles vaccine, Rouvax, is sanofi pasteur - the same company that manufacturers pediacel (5-in-1).

bumbleymummy · 13/02/2017 21:44

Single*

Rockpebblestone · 13/02/2017 21:47

What about the other vaccines?

GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 13/02/2017 21:53

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CoteDAzur · 13/02/2017 22:13

WTF are you talking about, raped girls etc? Hmm

If you have so run out of arguments that you are resorting to sob stories about raped girls, you have already lost this debate. And that even before the personal attacks.

Get back to the topic, if you don't mind.

CoteDAzur · 13/02/2017 22:18

"single measles vaccine, Rouvax"

Both of my DC have had Rouvax. It was easily available in France when DD was small, but when DS had his booster (2011? 2012?) we waited a long time to find a dose of Rouvax as pharmacies just didn't have it and it literally couldn't be found in suppliers.

Is it available now?

lottieandmia · 13/02/2017 23:26

I don't think it is - I've been trying to get it for one of my dc.

lottieandmia · 13/02/2017 23:29

'There isn't a single parent on Earth who does not think first and foremost of her own child. Neither is there a single parent who would unnecessarily vaccinate her child, for the benefit of others.'

^^This is true. It's not 'cuntish' if you knew your child would be damaged from a vaccine then you wouldn't let them have it. And to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 13/02/2017 23:57

Cote

Have you considered having your daughters immunity checked far younger than 18?

It is potentially possible that that could be to late.

CoteDAzur · 14/02/2017 00:26

"Potentially" anything is theoretically possible but knowing DD, the probability of a teenage pregnancy is even lower than that of vaccine damage. Other children might require a different approach.

Atenco · 14/02/2017 00:43

I don't think it is Cote that has the really nasty cuntish attitude, OP. You are being hysterical.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 14/02/2017 02:08

I wasn't being insulting Cote I just hear a lot of parents who think the same thing (my own did as well) only for them to be quite wrong.

user1477282676 · 14/02/2017 02:21

My SIL is an anti vaxxer. Imagine sharing a family with one. Leave the arguments...he won't listen.

My poor MIL worries herself sick over her grandchild's health.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 06:12

No, cote is being really self centred about it. If she had a valid argument, she ruined it by saying: "I don't give a shiny shite about everyone else, they should have checked their own immunity before getting pregnant, because of course everyone gets the chance to do that and if they don't, well that and the effects on their baby are all their own fault. By the way, I really hope my kid gets it so she's ok if she gets pregnant, even if that means she spreads it around the community."

No mention in there of how she intends to make sure her kid doesn't spread it to vulnerable people or a single legitimate argument about rubella being a dangerous vaccine, which would have justified it. Just pure fuck everyone else. Yeuch.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 06:18

Or to put it another way: the point of vaccination isn't just to stop YOU from getting a disease. It's to stop that disease from spreading. That is the whole point of herd immunity.

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CoteDAzur · 14/02/2017 06:59

i didn't think you were being insulting, Need. (That would be OP Hmm)

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 07:10

Your attitude on this point stinks, Cote. If you think that's insulting, so be it, but it's no more than a direct reflection of the giveafuck attitude that you've demonstrated (we need a shrugging icon).

The point is, yes you put your own family first, but you weigh that up against society's needs too if you're a decent human being. It's thanks to someone who thought fucking mumps was a harmless disease and her kid didn't need the mmr jab that my best friend caught mumps as a child and is stone deaf in one ear and has only 75% hearing in the other. She's had to live with that other parent's decision all her life - but by rationale such as yours, that would be her own fault for not being immune Hmm.

And that's why I think it's selfish as fuck.

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CoteDAzur · 14/02/2017 07:13

I think we all understood what you think about my "attitude". Apparently, it is news to you that a parent will prioritize her child over strangers.

Now stop harassing me or I will report you to MNHQ.

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2017 07:13

RockPebble, which other ones would you like to know about? The ones used in the babyjabs clinic have been manufactured by SP/GSK/Merck/Novartis. You can see the list of them on their website.

Cote and Lottie, a friend got the Rouvax vaccine for her children in London last year.

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GoesDownLikeACupOfColdSick · 14/02/2017 07:20

Ah so someone disagreeing with you is "harassment"?!? Report away, if you are so fragile that you can't handle being told that your attitude comes across really badly rather than putting up something scientific that might justify your arguments.

There is an enormous difference between putting your child first which any parent would do - and thinking you somehow know more than all the medical bodies who recommend the vaccines. If everyone did that, there would be no herd immunity at all!

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bumbleymummy · 14/02/2017 07:21

GoesDown, how old was your friend when they contracted mumps?

skerrywind · 14/02/2017 07:22

I totally get Cote's point.

Mumsnet is a nest of vipers.